It is impossible to be a Good Leader without being a Good Person !

[christiefan915]

Who are considered some of the biggest leaders the world has seen? Hitler, Castro, Mao Zedong are among the names you will see in various lists. Would you consider any of those three kind, nice and a good person?

Biggest but not in a good way. There has to be another way to describe them other than "good" leader, I'll peruse thesaurus.com.

[cawacko]

Using your example of Jobs, I didn't hear the word "nice" associated with him but people seemed to set apart his personality from his accomplishments. When he died he got a lot of accolades in spite of not being a nice person.

I agree completely which is why I disagree with the OP that its impossible to be a good leader without a being a good person. History is replete with great leaders who were not nice and kind. You brought up Saddam in another thread. I sure hope no one would use the words kind and nice to describe him but as evil as he was he was definitely an excellent leader.

[christiefan915]

Nice and kind doesn't determine one's ability to be a good leader. It doesn't take those qualities to have a mass following of people. Look at Obama.

trump isn't nice, kind or a good leader yet he has a mass following. I swear it's like those people are drugged.

[christiefan915]

I agree completely which is why I disagree with the OP that its impossible to be a good leader without a being a good person. History is replete with great leaders who were not nice and kind. You brought up Saddam in another thread. I sure hope no one would use the words kind and nice to describe him but as evil as he was he was definitely an excellent leader.

I think we differ on the words good or excellent to describe some leaders. If Hitler's way of leading culminated in the Holocaust there's gotta be a better term to describe that besides excellent. Mesmerizing? Seducing by evil?

[cawacko]

I think we differ on the words good or excellent to describe some leaders. If Hitler's way of leading culminated in the Holocaust there's gotta be a better term to describe that besides excellent. Mesmerizing? Seducing by evil?

We often equate leaders with good but that's clearly not always the case. There are plenty of great leaders who lead for horrible causes. And historians who study world leaders will look at the "bad" leaders as well as the good.

[cawacko]

I think we differ on the words good or excellent to describe some leaders. If Hitler's way of leading culminated in the Holocaust there's gotta be a better term to describe that besides excellent. Mesmerizing? Seducing by evil?

An analogy that popped into my head is entrepreneurs. Take Steve Jobs, he's pretty much considered one of the greatest entrepreneurs this country has every seen. We generally equate entrepreneurship with good. But there are amazing entrepreneurs that lead criminal gangs and drug rings. So while these folks are amazingly talented entrepreneurs they use their skills for what most of us would call 'not good purposes'.

[Nordberg]

Trump is not just a bad person but a petty and selfish little user and thief. https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...mp-foundation/ His only value is himself. Fuck anyone else.

[Ralph]

Good....in the context presented does not necessarily hold any moral or immoral implications. "Good" as in describing the desirable traits of a leader simply indicates the successfulness of the leader in question. In this context....HITLER WAS A GOOD LEADER as were many tyrannical world leaders.

Accept it or not. Donald J. Trump is the leader of the United States....good or bad, he is YOUR leader if you are citizen of the United States.

Its a (wink, wink) GOOD THING that you are a citizen of the US...other wise one of those "good" world leaders would have you charged and executed because of the very gestation/idea of this treasonous thread. LMAO

You are free (due to the US CONSTITUTION and the BILL OR RIGHTS) to trash talk and cast stones at your leaders....something you would not do if you lived in a nation with a good SOCALIST fascist leader.....Like those in Cuba, Russia, Venezuela, China, Korea....etc.,

[Life is Golden]

trump isn't nice, kind or a good leader yet he has a mass following. I swear it's like those people are drugged.

So did Obama,the most divisive President in history.

Obama's "leadership style" was race-baiting and class warfare. He was and is a hate-mongering POS, to the nth degree.

[Life is Golden]

I just watched a 60 minutes documentary on this lady, Elizabeth Holmes, who ran a sham company named Theranos and fooled many wealthy intelligent people into giving her billions of dollars. She wasn't a good, kind person either.

[ThatOwlWoman]

trump isn't nice, kind or a good leader yet he has a mass following. I swear it's like those people are drugged.

Like the Branch Davidians or the Jonestown cultists.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

so there's no way a cunt like hillary could lead, and the country definitely made the correct choice?

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

I just watched a 60 minutes documentary on this lady, Elizabeth Holmes, who ran a sham company named Theranos and fooled many wealthy intelligent people into giving her billions of dollars. She wasn't a good, kind person either.

why do you hate strong women?

[cawacko]

A lot of Russians would say Putin is a good leader. Anyone think he's a good person? That he's nice and kind?

[Nordberg]

So did Obama,the most divisive President in history.

Obama's "leadership style" was race-baiting and class warfare. He was and is a hate-mongering POS, to the nth degree.

Not correct. Obama was not the divider. However, that is Trump.'s whole method of operation. He plays us against them every time he opens his food hole.
Were you around when the day after Obama's election the Repub leadership said they were going to stop every single thing Obama wanted to do. They said their job was to make him a one-term president. That is divisive as hell and announced day one.