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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Instead you just project like always because you are full of sh*t.
    I'm not projecting the self-contradictory positions, you shitheads are.

    You're screeching that we need to drill for more oil, you're screeching that Venezuela should do the same, but then you're also screeching Venezuela shouldn't do that and should diversify its economy instead...right after saying they should have invested more in their oil infrastructure...right before you say they should have a more diverse economy...right after you say they should do more for their oil infrastructure...right before you say they shouldn't...right after you say they should...lather, rinse, repeat.

    This is why it's impossible to have good faith discussions with you people; nothing you do here is in good faith. None of it. It's all about preserving your stupid ego and confirming your inherent biases.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    I'm not projecting the self-contradictory positions, you shitheads are.

    You're screeching that we need to drill for more oil, you're screeching that Venezuela should do the same, but then you're also screeching Venezuela shouldn't do that and should diversify its economy instead...right after saying they should have invested more in their oil infrastructure...right before you say they should have a more diverse economy...right after you say they should do more for their oil infrastructure...right before you say they shouldn't...right after you say they should...lather, rinse, repeat.

    This is why it's impossible to have good faith discussions with you people; nothing you do here is in good faith. None of it. It's all about preserving your stupid ego and confirming your inherent biases.




    You're a fucking fraud who makes shit up as you go, who contradicts himself, who ultimately doesn't really know anything, just bits and pieces of things here and there; whatever you glean off internet message boards.

    Then you get all pissy and whiny when your long-held, but ultimately false wisdom is shattered, forcing you to reconcile the reality that you're not as clever as you want people to think.
    I've actually said nothing in this thread or anywhere else about Venezuela's oil but lying is like breathing to you. But you're just a little b*tch aren't you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Jesus fucking Christ...

    So on the one hand, Conservative morons like cawacko say that Venezuela didn't invest in its oil infrastructure so it can continue producing oil, but then on the other hand, say it is wrong for Venezuela to not diversify its economy.

    Make up your fucking minds, idiots. Thanks.
    What's even funnier is you think the two are mutually exclusive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    What's even funnier is you think the two are mutually exclusive.
    Diversifying the economy by doubling down on fossil fuel investment?

    Does that make sense to you?

    95% of Venezuela's exports are fossil fuels, and you want to increase that percentage because you think that makes their economy more diverse??? Whaaaa????
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    So Canada is a failed state?

    Norway is a failed state?

    South Korea? Japan? Germany?

    These are failed states? Since when?
    I thought we were talking about socialism. No wonder you're spreading this nonsense. You do not know what socialism is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    I thought we were talking about socialism. No wonder you're spreading this nonsense. You do not know what socialism is.
    Well, you keep moving the bar on socialism, so it's really your deficiency, not mine.

    So you say we want socialism like Venezuela

    We say, no, we want a system like they have in Canada

    You say Canada isn't socialist.

    We say, EXACTLY SO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF????

    Is Canada a slippery slope to Venezuela? You would have us think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    I thought we were talking about socialism. No wonder you're spreading this nonsense. You do not know what socialism is.
    Great! So if we're both in agreement that the system we want more resembles Canada than Venezuela, what the fuck are you so afraid of, then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Diversifying the economy by doubling down on fossil fuel investment?

    Does that make sense to you?

    95% of Venezuela's exports are fossil fuels, and you want to increase that percentage because you think that makes their economy more diverse??? Whaaaa????
    Your false and failing premise is that capitalism is at fault because we wouldn’t have oil if not for capitalism. Since your premise is a failure now is when you usually start calling people racist to divert from your failure

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Well, you keep moving the bar on socialism, so it's really your deficiency, not mine.

    So you say we want socialism like Venezuela

    We say, no, we want a system like they have in Canada

    You say Canada isn't socialist.

    We say, EXACTLY SO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF????

    Is Canada a slippery slope to Venezuela? You would have us think so.
    No, you're the one blaming capitalism and extolling the virtues of socialism. I'm afraid of idiots saying they want socialism, have no clue what they're talking about but work to bring it about, and then get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    it's a failure of state socialism- way heavily reliant on oil revenues to fund their massive socialism.
    They drained ALL the revenues, instead of reinvesting like normal oil companies world wide do
    Chavez got rid of all the competent people running PDVSA and replaced them with his cronies. They even screwed the Russians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Your false and failing premise is that capitalism is at fault because we wouldn’t have oil if not for capitalism
    We wouldn't have the oil industry we have today if not because of capitalism.

    If we didn't have capitalism, we would have transitioned out of fossil fuels in the 1970's when Exxon found out that they were causing climate change.


    Since your premise is a failure now is when you usually start calling people racist to divert from your failure
    You of all people don't get to decide when a premise is "a failure".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    No, you're the one blaming capitalism and extolling the virtues of socialism.
    How am I doing that?

    By pointing out the failure of the global capitalist oil market?

    By pointing to Canada and asking "if socialism so bad, then what gives up North"?

    You're a crybaby.


    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    I'm afraid of idiots saying they want socialism
    You're afraid of people saying things. Imagine that.


    have no clue what they're talking about but work to bring it about, and then get it.
    So if we're wrong when we say we want a socialist system like Canada, and they're not socialist, then why the fuck do you care if we move to a system more like our neighbor's? Let us be wrong about the label, if the practice is totally OK.

    Seems like you're the one with no understanding of socialism here.
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    Why do you keep calling Canada socialism? Because you have zero understanding of socialism, that's why. This whole thread you're defending Venezuelan socialism.

    You are wrong when you say you want a socialist system like Canada, or in Bernie Sanders' case, Denmark.

    If I said I wanted fascism like Denmark, would you elect me to congress? Would you not care?

    So why do you keep defending socialism? Why are self-proclaimed socialists getting elected to congress? Because they're idiots. Because they have no clue what they're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    1) The US didn't boom.
    Since 2008 U. S. crude oil production has increased from about 5 million barrels a day to 12 million barrels in 2019 and is now the world's top producer. Crude Oil Production in Venezuela was 1,400,000 million barrels in 2019 down from a high of 3,800,000 in 1970. It nationalized its oil industry in 1976 and more expropriations in 2007.

    If every oil producing nation was socialist the supply and demand for oil is going to affect the price the same if all of those nations was capitalist. So, I agree with you about the supply and demand determining the price, but disagree that capitalism had any different affect on that system than socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    But at its core, it's a failure of capitalist global oil markets since everything is tied to the price per barrel.
    Well, healthcare is tied to the price per hour of doctors, nurses, etc... So why zero in on one tiny aspect of the economy in regards to oil, which provides so much much utility it's scary to think of a world without it? What is the point of saying that Venezuela suffers from the price of oil when they structured their society around the ability to sell oil on the capitalist market? Where's the money gonna come from without capitalism, you one-thought-maverick?

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