Open borders? Insanity!

[Robo]

I could be in favor of open borders IF, the only people coming across the border were good folk just wanting to work, be personally responsible for themselves and their families, and wanted to assimilate into American society and learn to speak English, and strive for the American Dream. But in the name of sanity and common sense, I have to reject and oppose passionately any such notion of supporting an open borders policy when the immigrants wanting to cross the border are infiltrated by MS13 thugs and gang killers, drug runners and human traffickers and my country by way of a gang of political morons, thieves and crooked vote buying bastards has created a social welfare system to attract all comers, sanctuary cities to hide the criminals and politicians that ignore and oppose federal immigration law and even are attempting to abolish the immigration cops that arrest and deport the scumbags that violate Americas laws, feed off of the welfare system and even murder American citizens.

I don’t really much care if the violent scumbags among the good folks are a small percentage of the total. It’s factual that they’re being protected by American idiot politicians that create sanctuary cities and states it’s also factual that even the good folk among them are overwhelming the social welfare system. Our forefathers and mothers came from allover the globe long before there was a social welfare system, They assimilated quickly, they were self supporting, they worked hard and learned English they became Americans. The crooks and killers among them were arrested, jailed and deported or executed or died in the slammer. They suffered through poverty and discrimination and became stronger and more successful in spite and because of it.

Today’s world requires the withholding/abolishing of all federal money sent to sanctuary cities and states. It requires an American Congress committed to overhauling America’s immigration policies YESTERDAY! It requires federal criminal actions/prosecutions be taken against any politician that prevents or hinders the border and immigration officers from preventing illegal entry into the country and the arrest and jailing and deportation of illegal immigrants. And it absolutely requires BUILD THE DAMNED WALL!!!!!

[ralfy]

I could be in favor of open borders IF, the only people coming across the border were good folk just wanting to work, be personally responsible for themselves and their families, and wanted to assimilate into American society and learn to speak English, and strive for the American Dream. But in the name of sanity and common sense, I have to reject and oppose passionately any such notion of supporting an open borders policy when the immigrants wanting to cross the border are infiltrated by MS13 thugs and gang killers, drug runners and human traffickers and my country by way of a gang of political morons, thieves and crooked vote buying bastards has created a social welfare system to attract all comers, sanctuary cities to hide the criminals and politicians that ignore and oppose federal immigration law and even are attempting to abolish the immigration cops that arrest and deport the scumbags that violate Americas laws, feed off of the welfare system and even murder American citizens.

I don’t really much care if the violent scumbags among the good folks are a small percentage of the total. It’s factual that they’re being protected by American idiot politicians that create sanctuary cities and states it’s also factual that even the good folk among them are overwhelming the social welfare system. Our forefathers and mothers came from allover the globe long before there was a social welfare system, They assimilated quickly, they were self supporting, they worked hard and learned English they became Americans. The crooks and killers among them were arrested, jailed and deported or executed or died in the slammer. They suffered through poverty and discrimination and became stronger and more successful in spite and because of it.

Today’s world requires the withholding/abolishing of all federal money sent to sanctuary cities and states. It requires an American Congress committed to overhauling America’s immigration policies YESTERDAY! It requires federal criminal actions/prosecutions be taken against any politician that prevents or hinders the border and immigration officers from preventing illegal entry into the country and the arrest and jailing and deportation of illegal immigrants. And it absolutely requires BUILD THE DAMNED WALL!!!!!

Ironically, following your reference to forefathers and mothers, then there should be no wall and no social welfare system. That also means no Congress, immigration policies, and federal gov't. And with no federal money, there will be multiple currencies issued by various banks. Also, no standing army.

[Robo]

Ironically, following your reference to forefathers and mothers, then there should be no wall and no social welfare system. That also means no Congress, immigration policies, and federal gov't. And with no federal money, there will be multiple currencies issued by various banks. Also, no standing army.

I referenced our forefathers and mother simply pointing out that our borders at that time were pretty much open, and the country was also without a social welfare system. I wasn’t talking about the Pilgrims or the colonies before the revolution, but rather the 1800's and early 1900’s. We had a Congress an immigration system, federal money and even a standing army. We didn’t have MS13 gangs coming across the borders, human traffickers, drug runners or Islamic terrorist or a social welfare system, sanctuary cities and states protecting illegal immigrants and criminals and defying the federal laws and law enforcers. Open borders in our early days made some sense. Today it’s pure insanity!

[Nordberg]

Gotta close the northern border too. And wall off the Atlantic and Pacific. Some of those murdering outsiders have boats. And airplanes. The drug cartels use cars, trucks, boats, tunnels and even submarines to ship drugs here. We are being invaded by arnmes of vicious immigratnts. We need to wall in the whole country. To the bunkers folks, it is our only chance to survuive.

[Robo]

Gotta close the northern border too. And wall off the Atlantic and Pacific. Some of those murdering outsiders have boats. And airplanes. The drug cartels use cars, trucks, boats, tunnels and even submarines to ship drugs here. We are being invaded by arnies of vicious immigratnts. We need to wall in the whole country. To the bunkers folks, it is our only chance to survuive.

I do believe JPP members do already have a clear understanding of your affection for drug runners, human traffickers and MS13 gang members, sanctuary cities and states. It's too late to pretend any different now Nordi buddy!

[Nordberg]

I do believe JPP members do already have a clear understanding of your affection for drug runners, human traffickers and MS13 gang members, sanctuary cities and states. It's too late to pretend any different now Nordi buddy!

I believe you are nuts. I recognize that as long as there is a multi-billion dollar drug market in the US, someone will provide. You want to stop drug running, then stop drug use. Make drug use a medical problem instead of a legal one and treat addicts. Many wish to escape drugs and there are not enough facilities and drug doctors. That is the tack I would take.
The opiates are a product of drug companies making billions by providing them to patients in doctors offices. They did it for profits, We are stuck with the results .We have to act maturely and deal with the drug problem. Opiates were not coming through the borders. They were supplied in pharmacies.

Affection? You are not well.

[Robo]

I believe you are nuts. I recognize that as long as there is a multi-billion dollar drug market in the US, someone will provide. You want to stop drug running, then stop drug use.

I’d actually prefer to end the stupid violent expensive drug war, decriminalize all drugs and allow each state to regulate and deal with whatever drug issues exist in their particular state. They already regulate and control one of the worst drugs available to humankind, booze. However, until that sanity takes place if ever, I’ll support doing whatever it takes for the Congress and President in coordination together keeping the criminal foreign drug runners out of the country, even though you prefer an open border for their easy access and sanctuary cities and states to protect them from jail and deportation.

Make drug use a medical problem instead of a legal one and treat addicts. Many wish to escape drugs and there are not enough facilities and drug doctors. That is the tack I would take.

More BIG government socialist welfare, right? Why not just expect everybody to be responsible for themselves?

The opiates are a product of drug companies making billions by providing them to patients in doctors offices. They did it for profits, We are stuck with the results .We have to act maturely and deal with the drug problem. Opiates were not coming through the borders. They were supplied in pharmacies.

Affection? You are not well.

I think you need to check up on where the majority of opiates are coming from. I think they’re actually coming across our border to the south from China through Mexico. China is supplying the Mexican drug runners. That’s not to say that some of it is not coming also from American manufactures

Virtually all of the human trafficking and MS13 gang killers are coming across our southern border and no sane folk believe that middle eastern terrorist aren’t mixing in the INVASION! But you have proven you couldn’t care less. You’d prefer it all continue as long as the Democrats can register them to vote and Trump’s agenda to defend the nation is prevented.

[Bourbon]

I have no Fence around my House ... yet I know everyone sho comes a goes within it ...

Tech can do that with the expense of Walls

[RB 60]

I have no Fence around my House ... yet I know everyone sho comes a goes within it ...

Tech can do that with the expense of Walls

No fence around mine either, but it is protected by S&W and Colt (also a Remmington 1100 in the closet). I'd prefer our borders protected by the same, but most would say that is inhumane.

That said, there are places a wall would be sufficient to free up the use of tech and manpower. Most who oppose the wall and border security have never visited the border or spoken to those who protect it. One would think they would know what is needed, where and how to curb the influx of illegals.

[Robo]

I have no Fence around my House ... yet I know everyone sho comes a goes within it ...

Tech can do that with the expense of Walls

Tech can show you what's there, how many does it actually stop? Are your borders 2000 miles long? How many "WALLS" are there in your house? Why are they there?

[iolo]

We have an open border with England, and about a third of our population were born there. It is a mixed blessing, but not intolerable, though I hugely prefer the Somalis in Cardiff, whose relatives can't now settle here.

[ralfy]

I referenced our forefathers and mother simply pointing out that our borders at that time were pretty much open, and the country was also without a social welfare system. I wasn’t talking about the Pilgrims or the colonies before the revolution, but rather the 1800's and early 1900’s. We had a Congress an immigration system, federal money and even a standing army. We didn’t have MS13 gangs coming across the borders, human traffickers, drug runners or Islamic terrorist or a social welfare system, sanctuary cities and states protecting illegal immigrants and criminals and defying the federal laws and law enforcers. Open borders in our early days made some sense. Today it’s pure insanity!

The interesting thing about this is that the result will mean more government and authoritarian control. What Trump wants is not just dealing with illegal immigration but even curtailing legal immigration, as well as restricting free trade.

These are the same policies employed in rival nations like China.

[CFM]

I have no Fence around my House ... yet I know everyone sho comes a goes within it ...

Tech can do that with the expense of Walls

You think you do.

[Robo]

The interesting thing about this is that the result will mean more government and authoritarian control. What Trump wants is not just dealing with illegal immigration but even curtailing legal immigration, as well as restricting free trade.

These are the same policies employed in rival nations like China.

It's constitutionally valid for the federal government to protect our borders. Protecting America and Americans is the only valid reason to even have a federal government.

Links please for your pronouncements related to Trumps immigration agenda. It looks to me like another load of bullshit straight out of the leftist lie book!

[ralfy]

It's constitutionally valid for the federal government to protect our borders. Protecting America and Americans is the only valid reason to even have a federal government.

Links please for your pronouncements related to Trumps immigration agenda. It looks to me like another load of bullshit straight out of the leftist lie book!

Trump's immigration policy includes making changes to legal immigration, i.e., with a goal to decrease it by 50 pct. In short, his policy is not simply to protect borders but to decrease immigration in general.

Add to this his economic policy of restricting free trade, and we have someone who is essentially a protectionist. Thus, his strategy appears to be similar to that followed by China and other countries that employed mercantilism.

The problem is that the U.S. dollar is the global reserve currency, which means the economy operates through the opposite of mercantilism and likely because of the Triffin dilemma.