damning proof of innocence that FBI withheld in Russian probe

[Granule]

Why should I research the accuracy of claims made in an OP ED PIECE that was merely copy/pasted in the OP?

It doesn't even claim to be a reporting of news or facts.

It's just the ultra-biased speculation of a known partisan political hack conspiracy kook.

You need to either produce sources to back him up or you can simply shut the fuck up.

Then you should have zero problem blasting that article out of the water.

Get busy, or you can simply shut the fuck up.

[Poor Richard Saunders]

you might as well be desh posting deflection instead of the story.

so what do you think of not including exculpatory evidence while seeking a warrant by an ex parte court?
got any problems with that? I sure as hell do!

Really? You do realize that the standard for getting a warrant is not the same as charging someone with a crime, don't you?
The standard is actually lower for FISA court because the intent is not to find out if there is a crime but to conduct an intelligence operation. The FBI only has to show a reasonable expectation. They are certainly not required to include denials by the person being investigated. One would expect most people spying for government agencies to deny that is what they are doing.

The argument made in by the opinion writer is complete nonsense from a legal standpoint. The Steele dossier did not need to be verified before it could be used to get a warrant. There only needed to be a reasonable expectation that it might be true. It was not being used to charge Page with a crime. It was part of a pile of evidence that indicated there might be something there which needed further investigation.

[Nomad]

Then you should have zero problem blasting that article out of the water.

Get busy, or you can simply shut the fuck up.

Your half-assed attempt at applying logic here is as lame as your unquestioning faith in pro-Trump garbage like the article in question.

Everybody knows that it's many times more difficult and takes many times more effort to disprove one lie, let alone an entire article full of them, than to tell the lies to begin with.

It takes very little effort vis-a-vis fact checking and research, to create lies.

Debunking them is exactly the opposite.

That's why average lazy right-wing slobs like you and your fellow JPP Trumptards, and partisan hacks like Solomon, engage in it almost exclusively.

It's the only way your side can stay in the game.

The truth is no friend of the right.

[Poor Richard Saunders]

growing evidence suggests both Trump campaign advisers made exculpatory statements — at the very start of the FBI’s investigation — that undercut the Trump-Russia collusion theory peddled to agents by Democratic sources.

Exculpatory statements by someone suspected of a crime are meaningless when it comes to getting a warrant.
There is nothing in the law that requires exculpatory statements by a suspect be included in a FISA warrant application. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1804
There is nothing in the Wood's Procedure that requires exculpatory statements be included in a FISA warrant application. https://fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/woods.pdf
The Trump-Russia collusion theory wasn't peddled to agents by Democratic sources. The author admits that when he says Papadopoulos spoke to an Australian diplomat. Australian diplomats are not Democratic sources.

First, the FBI must present evidence to FISA judges that it has verified and that comes from intelligence sources deemed reliable.
Second, it must disclose any information that calls into question the credibility of its sources.
Finally, it must disclose any evidence suggesting the innocence of its investigative targets.

First. The author is misrepresenting the meaning of "verified" as required for a warrant.
Second. The author is making an unsupported statement based on his bias years after the fact. The courts don't rely on reporters 2 years later to determine credibility of any source.
Finally - No such requirement in the law.

At this point the authors entire screed has fallen apart. It is based on lies about what the law requires.

Likewise, we know the FBI failed to tell the courts that Steele admitted to a federal official that he was desperate to defeat Trump in the 2016 election and was being paid by Clinton’s campaign

We actually know the opposite to be true. The FISA warrant was released to the public and clearly shows the Steele dossier was opposition research for an opponent of Trump in the general election. Anyone with an IQ above 70 would be able to identify his opponent at the time.

[dukkha]

The FISA applications omit the fact that a Russian intelligence officer called page ‘an idiot,’ " one congressional source said. The official spoke only on condition of anonymity due to the still-classified nature of the information.

Former FBI officials and agents with experience in FISA warrants say the affidavits for Page appear to be “material misrepresentations” and failed to properly follow so-called Woods Procedures requiring accuracy of facts by the sworn declarants. Those procedures were strengthened in 2003 by then-FBI director Robert Mueller, now the special counsel pursuing the Trump-Russia affair.

Withholding material and exculpatory evidence from the FISA applications may also have violated Page’s Fourth Amendment protections against omissions of material facts that would undermine or negate probable cause to search.

“It is illegal,” said veteran FBI agent Michael Biasello. “The affiant" -- the person swearing to the affidavit -- "cannot cherry-pick only information favorable to the case.”

n preparing its case for the FISA court, the FBI struggled to find credible evidence to support a probable cause argument for spying on Page, a U.S. citizen, a well-placed source briefed on the matter said. Evidence that he was acting as an agent of the Kremlin was thin. Headquarters leaned heavily on an unverified tip in the Steele dossier that Page had secretly met with two Kremlin-tied officials sanctioned by the U.S. -- Igor Sechin and Igor Diveykin -- to hatch a plot to interfere in the election during a July 2016 trip to Moscow.

But the only part of that sensational accusation the bureau could corroborate was that Page had traveled that month to Moscow, where he gave an academic speech at a business college that also once hosted President Obama. Intent on securing the warrant to probe the Trump campaign for illicit ties to Moscow, the agency scrambled to show the court other Russian connections. As a result, the source said, Page’s role in the 2013 espionage case in New York was "exaggerated to make it look like he was being groomed by Russian intelligence.”

I think he is an idiot and forgot who I am,” the FBI secretly recorded one of the Russians, Victor Podobnyy, saying to another Russian about Page on April 8, 2013. “You get the documents from him and tell him to go fuck himself.”

fter realizing he’d been duped, Page told RCI he met with Monaghan and other FBI agents at New York’s Plaza Hotel in June 2013 “to provide support” for their investigation. He met with them again, as well as prosecutors, in March 2016, to help put away one of the Russian agents, who agreed to plead guilty to espionage charges.

The FBI's attitude toward Page turned hostile after candidate Donald Trump publicly announced his name on March 21, 2016 along with other members of his foreign policy team. Only then was Page treated as a counterintelligence concern. Not long afterward, FBI Director Comey and his deputy, McCabe, met with Attorney General Loretta Lynch to discuss the news of Page joining the Trump campaign and “efforts to compromise” him by the Russians, according to a recently declassified memo.

Then, sometime in the “late spring” of 2016, Comey held an unusual briefing concerning Page and the alleged national security risk he posed, with the Obama administration’s highest-ranking national-security officials, who, in addition to Lynch, included National Security Adviser Susan Rice, CIA Director John Brennan, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

By autumn, in the heat of the presidential election campaign, the FBI had Page under constant surveillance, vacuuming up all his text messages and emails and listening in on his phone calls, including communications with Trump officials.

As a top FBI counterintelligence official, Strzok supervised from Washington the earlier case involving the three undercover Russians in New York, and was familiar with Page’s help in the case, officials say. He did not target Page as a suspect until after Page joined the Trump campaign. Text messages obtained by the Justice Department inspector general reveal that Strzok was stridently opposed to Trump’s bid for president.
https://www.realclearinvestigations...._as_idiot.html

[Nomad]

The FISA applications omit the fact that a Russian intelligence officer called page ‘an idiot,’ " one congressional source said. The official spoke only on condition of anonymity due to the still-classified nature of the information.

Former FBI officials and agents with experience in FISA warrants say the affidavits for Page appear to be “material misrepresentations” and failed to properly follow so-called Woods Procedures requiring accuracy of facts by the sworn declarants. Those procedures were strengthened in 2003 by then-FBI director Robert Mueller, now the special counsel pursuing the Trump-Russia affair.

Withholding material and exculpatory evidence from the FISA applications may also have violated Page’s Fourth Amendment protections against omissions of material facts that would undermine or negate probable cause to search.

“It is illegal,” said veteran FBI agent Michael Biasello. “The affiant" -- the person swearing to the affidavit -- "cannot cherry-pick only information favorable to the case.”

n preparing its case for the FISA court, the FBI struggled to find credible evidence to support a probable cause argument for spying on Page, a U.S. citizen, a well-placed source briefed on the matter said. Evidence that he was acting as an agent of the Kremlin was thin. Headquarters leaned heavily on an unverified tip in the Steele dossier that Page had secretly met with two Kremlin-tied officials sanctioned by the U.S. -- Igor Sechin and Igor Diveykin -- to hatch a plot to interfere in the election during a July 2016 trip to Moscow.

But the only part of that sensational accusation the bureau could corroborate was that Page had traveled that month to Moscow, where he gave an academic speech at a business college that also once hosted President Obama. Intent on securing the warrant to probe the Trump campaign for illicit ties to Moscow, the agency scrambled to show the court other Russian connections. As a result, the source said, Page’s role in the 2013 espionage case in New York was "exaggerated to make it look like he was being groomed by Russian intelligence.”

I think he is an idiot and forgot who I am,” the FBI secretly recorded one of the Russians, Victor Podobnyy, saying to another Russian about Page on April 8, 2013. “You get the documents from him and tell him to go fuck himself.”

fter realizing he’d been duped, Page told RCI he met with Monaghan and other FBI agents at New York’s Plaza Hotel in June 2013 “to provide support” for their investigation. He met with them again, as well as prosecutors, in March 2016, to help put away one of the Russian agents, who agreed to plead guilty to espionage charges.

The FBI's attitude toward Page turned hostile after candidate Donald Trump publicly announced his name on March 21, 2016 along with other members of his foreign policy team. Only then was Page treated as a counterintelligence concern. Not long afterward, FBI Director Comey and his deputy, McCabe, met with Attorney General Loretta Lynch to discuss the news of Page joining the Trump campaign and “efforts to compromise” him by the Russians, according to a recently declassified memo.

Then, sometime in the “late spring” of 2016, Comey held an unusual briefing concerning Page and the alleged national security risk he posed, with the Obama administration’s highest-ranking national-security officials, who, in addition to Lynch, included National Security Adviser Susan Rice, CIA Director John Brennan, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

By autumn, in the heat of the presidential election campaign, the FBI had Page under constant surveillance, vacuuming up all his text messages and emails and listening in on his phone calls, including communications with Trump officials.

As a top FBI counterintelligence official, Strzok supervised from Washington the earlier case involving the three undercover Russians in New York, and was familiar with Page’s help in the case, officials say. He did not target Page as a suspect until after Page joined the Trump campaign. Text messages obtained by the Justice Department inspector general reveal that Strzok was stridently opposed to Trump’s bid for president.
https://www.realclearinvestigations...._as_idiot.html

Real Clear Investigations???

Oh look, another noisenatta copy/paste job from yet another right-wing pro-Trump biased bullshit source, posing as credible, reliable information.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/real-...nvestigations/

noisenatta's poor old dead horse gets another beating.

[dukkha]

Real Clear Investigations???

Oh look, another noisenatta copy/paste job from yet another right-wing pro-Trump biased bullshit source, posing as credible, reliable information.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/real-...nvestigations/

noisenatta's poor old dead horse gets another beating.

once again you cannot refute so you take a lower and lower road -
and if you bothered to read your own post you'd see AT THE TOP "generally trustworthy for information"

[Nomad]

once again you cannot refute so you take a lower and lower road -
and if you bothered to read your own post you'd see AT THE TOP "generally trustworthy for information"

The entire premise of the article is absurd.

They're saying that because the FBI supposedly didn't include a mention in the FISA application that some Russian intelligence agents described Carter Page as "an idiot", they were somehow withholding pertinent information that could have swung the judge's decision to grant the warrant, as if that would have made a difference.

Not only that, but the implication is that the FBI and the IC should have taken this description of Page by the Russians at face value, and that they should not have considered the likelihood that calling Page an idiot might have just been an attempted smoke screen, designed to throw them off the scent.

All this minutiae you Trumptards throw out in defense of these assholes is nothing more than a blatant and on going attempt to cloud the issue and muddy the water with a lot of meaningless cow plop.

It's just more of your side putting into practice the old adage "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit".

And you wonder why I no longer waste my time refuting this kind of silliness.

[dukkha]

Former FBI officials and agents with experience in FISA warrants say the affidavits for Page appear to be “material misrepresentations” and failed to properly follow so-called Woods Procedures requiring accuracy of facts by the sworn declarants. Those procedures were strengthened in 2003 by then-FBI director Robert Mueller, now the special counsel pursuing the Trump-Russia affair.

Withholding material and exculpatory evidence from the FISA applications may also have violated Page’s Fourth Amendment protections against omissions of material facts that would undermine or negate probable cause to search.

“It is illegal,” said veteran FBI agent Michael Biasello. “The affiant" -- the person swearing to the affidavit -- "cannot cherry-pick only information favorable to the case.”

n preparing its case for the FISA court, the FBI struggled to find credible evidence to support a probable cause argument for spying on Page, a U.S. citizen, a well-placed source briefed on the matter said. Evidence that he was acting as an agent of the Kremlin was thin. Headquarters leaned heavily on an unverified tip in the Steele dossier that Page had secretly met with two Kremlin-tied officials sanctioned by the U.S. -- Igor Sechin and Igor Diveykin -- to hatch a plot to interfere in the election during a July 2016 trip to Moscow.

But the only part of that sensational accusation the bureau could corroborate was that Page had traveled that month to Moscow, where he gave an academic speech at a business college that also once hosted President Obama. Intent on securing the warrant to probe the Trump campaign for illicit ties to Moscow, the agency scrambled to show the court other Russian connections. As a result, the source said, Page’s role in the 2013 espionage case in New York was "exaggerated to make it look like he was being groomed by Russian intelligence.”

[Nomad]

Former FBI officials and agents with experience in FISA warrants say the affidavits for Page appear to be “material misrepresentations” and failed to properly follow so-called Woods Procedures requiring accuracy of facts by the sworn declarants. Those procedures were strengthened in 2003 by then-FBI director Robert Mueller, now the special counsel pursuing the Trump-Russia affair.

Withholding material and exculpatory evidence from the FISA applications may also have violated Page’s Fourth Amendment protections against omissions of material facts that would undermine or negate probable cause to search.

“It is illegal,” said veteran FBI agent Michael Biasello. “The affiant" -- the person swearing to the affidavit -- "cannot cherry-pick only information favorable to the case.”

n preparing its case for the FISA court, the FBI struggled to find credible evidence to support a probable cause argument for spying on Page, a U.S. citizen, a well-placed source briefed on the matter said. Evidence that he was acting as an agent of the Kremlin was thin. Headquarters leaned heavily on an unverified tip in the Steele dossier that Page had secretly met with two Kremlin-tied officials sanctioned by the U.S. -- Igor Sechin and Igor Diveykin -- to hatch a plot to interfere in the election during a July 2016 trip to Moscow.

But the only part of that sensational accusation the bureau could corroborate was that Page had traveled that month to Moscow, where he gave an academic speech at a business college that also once hosted President Obama. Intent on securing the warrant to probe the Trump campaign for illicit ties to Moscow, the agency scrambled to show the court other Russian connections. As a result, the source said, Page’s role in the 2013 espionage case in New York was "exaggerated to make it look like he was being groomed by Russian intelligence.”

So the Trump-sucking right-wing media digs up some former FBI agent who shares the right's hatred of Hillary Clinton and sycophantic love of Trump, then trots him out to make statements for the mass consumption of idiots.

Whoo - pee.

FBI agent Michael BIASello.

The name says it all!!!!