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Thread: Court rules AR-15 gun maker can be sued over Sandy Hook shooting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple Lung-Li-Chiao View Post
    You don't need a spoon to eat, genius. Food manufacturers have been sued plenty of times, for issues in product harming the populace. Drug companies are sued just the same.
    You do if you are civilized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    So spoons are DESIGNED to kill people?
    A spoon is designed to deliver a load directed by the user

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Selling a product that's contaminated is illegal.
    No it’s not. Not if that contaminant isn’t specifically regulated. It was perfectly legal to sell polychlorinated biphenyls for use in dielectric fluids for years. The manufacturers of PCB’s were being sued well before they became illegal to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    So we are in agreement. Anyone can sue but winning is something else.
    Yes but that doesn’t answer my question as to why gun manufacturers get a pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    How are they negligent you dumb fuck? Did the weapon malfunction? Did the gun manufacturer sell it to the perp? Was the perp not aware that guns shot at people might kill them? STFU!
    Maybe it escaped your notice but is that what courts are for? Deciding such legal questions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    A spoon is designed to deliver a load directed by the user
    ...and in the hands of a blythering idiot, like Lesion, can kill!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Maybe it escaped your notice but is that what courts are for? Deciding such legal questions?
    Perhaps it escaped you, but any Judge with a brain would laugh such a case out of his courtroom.
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    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Perhaps it escaped you, but any Judge with a brain would laugh such a case out of his courtroom.
    Probably but even so, why should gun manufacturers be shielded? Why are the special?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    No one is above being sued for negligence or liability. What makes gun manufacturers special?
    Correct . . . They aren't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    What makes gun manufacturers special vs all other manufacturers?
    Uhhhhh, maybe them being a target for suits seeking damages for harm caused by criminal or unlawful misuse of their products by others, when the product functioned as designed and intended? Yeah, well that leftist misuse of the courts is why the shield law was needed; such claims have never been a part of civil law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    All manufacturers can be held criminally and civilly liable in a court of law. What makes gun manufacturers special?
    Correct, for negligence or malfunction or defect attributable to the company, which goes for gun manufacturers too. Nothing, gun manufacturers enjoy no special protection in that regard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    This isn't even a second amendment issue. Why shouldn't people be permitted to sue a gun manufacturer for negligence or liability? What makes them so special they can't be sued?
    Correct. People are allowed to sue gun manufacturers for damages attributable to actual negligence or defective product -- that's a reason Remington wound up in Chapter 7 bankruptcy, all the lawsuits for the defect in the Model 700.

    Maybe you should read the actual law?

    15 U.S. Code Chapter 105 - PROTECTION OF LAWFUL COMMERCE IN ARMS

    This is a good explanation also (pdf): https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42871.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    No it’s not. Not if that contaminant isn’t specifically regulated. It was perfectly legal to sell polychlorinated biphenyls for use in dielectric fluids for years. The manufacturers of PCB’s were being sued well before they became illegal to use.
    That doesn't make sense to me either. If something is legal, then why should a person have to lose money because someone else doesn't like it?
    I understand it gets complicated with things like contamination, since doctors are still learning what chemicals harm us and such. But if a person is complying with FDA laws, should they lose a lawsuit over food they sold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Probably but even so, why should gun manufacturers be shielded? Why are the special?
    I don't understand your question. Should the gas station be sued when an arsonists used gasoline to start a fire? An individual used a product to do malicious acts. How the fuck do you find the maker of a product liable for the malicious acts of an individual? It's childish thinking and you should feel stupid for thinking it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Yes but that doesn’t answer my question as to why gun manufacturers get a pass.
    I said they shouldn't but as we agree they did nothing negligent as far as their product. If the parents want to sue it is their right. Sadly all they will accomplish is the enrichment of some attorneys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abatis View Post
    It does work well for this particular situation . . .

    You can substitute any other product that might cause death and that is marketed / advertised featuring certain [potentially harmful / dangerous] performance characteristics -- think of a commercial showing a Ford Mustang being driven fast on a winding road; can somebody sue Ford because a family member was killed driving a Mustang fast on a winding road? Do the stipulations that the 'driving is being performed by a professional driver on a closed course' really protect Ford from being sued?

    This court's decision is very dangerous; it actually has very little downside for gun companies (they won't be able to depict a soldier in their ads) but for other industries it could open them up to limitless liabilities.

    What will really be tough for the car companies is that they sell products DESIGNED to break the law. Cars that do 2-3 times the max legal speed limit. How will they justify that when some pycho doing 105 runs over a kid??
    Reckless drivers are a bigger threat to you than all other criminals put together!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    I don't understand your question. Should the gas station be sued when an arsonists used gasoline to start a fire? An individual used a product to do malicious acts. How the fuck do you find the maker of a product liable for the malicious acts of an individual? It's childish thinking and you should feel stupid for thinking it.
    If the manufacturer ENCOURAGED owners of their product to cause mayhem i could see a lawsuit. But Remington doesn't do that. OTOH the car companies sell cars to do 2-3 times the legal speed limit (!!!) and then finance movies and commercials that glorify speeding and text-driving .
    Reckless drivers are a bigger threat to you than all other criminals put together!

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    If a particular gun is legal then the manufacturer is clear on all accounts. You cannot blame a gunmaker if their client misuses their product. Like the other poster wrote, "You can't accuse a carmaker if their customer runs someone over."

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