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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    They aren't special! But what makes the gun manufacturer libel when someone misuses their product? Would the knife manufacturer be libel if a nut attacks and stabs numerous people on the subway?
    Then what's the problem with someone suing them in court? They're not the one bearing the burden of proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    So if I buy a hammer and hit you in the head with it, you should be able to sue the manufacturer?

    If a manufacturer did something wrong, then I agree that you should sue them. But to say that a manufacturer that makes something that is legal to make, makes it correctly, the item doesn't malfunction, then NO, you don't get to sue the manufacturer simply because someone used the item to hurt someone else.
    Well yea...if you hit me in the head with a hammer and the hammer breaks I know damned well you'd sue the hammer manufacturer! As far as suing them, again, why put gun manufacturers as a higher standard than other manufacturers? Shielding them from civil suits makes no sense. If the manufacturers of the AR-15 are guilty of criminal negligence give the accusers their day and court and let them prove their case.

    This isn't even a second amendment issue to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    They aren't special! But what makes the gun manufacturer libel when someone misuses their product? Would the knife manufacturer be libel if a nut attacks and stabs numerous people on the subway?
    Knives have other uses that are primary. they are not designed to kill people. just like cars. They are methods of transportation. But you can misuse them to harm someone.
    If you misuse a gun, you will miss shooting someone, They are designed to kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    That's not really relevant. All manufacturers can be held criminally and civilly liable in a court of law. What makes gun manufacturers special?
    Because right now, these guns are legal. If they were to become illegal, and the manufacturers kept making them, then they can be prosecuted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Because right now, these guns are legal. If they were to become illegal, and the manufacturers kept making them, then they can be prosecuted.
    That's in a criminal case. This isn't a criminal case. It's a civil case. Suing some one is not the same as criminally prosecuting them. The gun manufacturers are not being criminally prosecuted so that's irrelevant.

    As far as making legal products...manufacturers of legal products get sued in Civil Court all the time. Why are gun manufacturers so special that are shielded from Civil Suits?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    That's in a criminal case. This isn't a criminal case. It's a civil case. Suing some one is not the same as criminally prosecuting them. The gun manufacturers are not being criminally prosecuted so that's irrelevant.

    As far as making legal products...manufacturers of legal products get sued in Civil Court all the time. Why are gun manufacturers so special that are shielded from Civil Suits?
    I don't think anyone should get sued if what they're making or selling is legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Knives have other uses that are primary. they are not designed to kill people. just like cars. They are methods of transportation. But you can misuse them to harm someone.
    If you misuse a gun, you will miss shooting someone, They are designed to kill.
    surprise, surprise, surprise guns are not sold or marketed to kill people. Show me one instance of a gun being advertized or sold expressly for killing people. What a dumb ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Then what's the problem with someone suing them in court? They're not the one bearing the burden of proof.
    If you fire a gun and it blows up in your face you have every right to sue. But if you clog the barrel with a foreign substance and it blows up then you have no cause to sue. Same with any product that is misused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    I don't think anyone should get sued if what they're making or selling is legal.
    Seriously? So if I decide to legally make lie soap and my hygiene practices comply with regulations but I sell my product knowing it's contaminated with a fungus that will make people sick then the people shouldn't have any recourse? They shouldn't be able to sue me?

    That's laughable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    If you fire a gun and it blows up in your face you have every right to sue. But if you clog the barrel with a foreign substance and it blows up then you have no cause to sue. Same with any product that is misused.
    Well that's sort of my point...in a civil suit isn't that for the plaintiff to prove? That the manufacturer (the defendant) is guilty of negligence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Seriously? So if I decide to legally make lie soap and my hygiene practices comply with regulations but I sell my product knowing it's contaminated with a fungus that will make people sick then the people shouldn't have any recourse? They shouldn't be able to sue me?

    That's laughable.
    Selling a product that's contaminated is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Well that's sort of my point...in a civil suit isn't that for the plaintiff to prove? That the manufacturer (the defendant) is guilty of negligence?
    So we are in agreement. Anyone can sue but winning is something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Seriously? So if I decide to legally make lie soap and my hygiene practices comply with regulations but I sell my product knowing it's contaminated with a fungus that will make people sick then the people shouldn't have any recourse? They shouldn't be able to sue me?

    That's laughable.
    What a stupid analogy; so guns don't function as designed and manufacturers are lying when they don't advertise that they can kill? Moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Well that's sort of my point...in a civil suit isn't that for the plaintiff to prove? That the manufacturer (the defendant) is guilty of negligence?
    How are they negligent you dumb fuck? Did the weapon malfunction? Did the gun manufacturer sell it to the perp? Was the perp not aware that guns shot at people might kill them? STFU!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Knives have other uses that are primary. they are not designed to kill people. just like cars. They are methods of transportation. But you can misuse them to harm someone.
    If you misuse a gun, you will miss shooting someone, They are designed to kill.
    You live a sheltered life.

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