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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    They don't have taxes in Canada?
    not 70+% and annual wealth taxes.all that free stuff has to be paid for

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    I could easily survive in a socialist state, so long as I work for the state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    not 70+% and annual wealth taxes.all that free stuff has to be paid for
    Wait - they have free stuff in Canada, like their health care system.

    Yet, they don't have the high taxes you are trying to fearmonger.

    So you aren't making any sense. You're just spamming and trolling because you're not comfortable in this subject to debate with any sincerity. You just act disingenuous because you're a loser with multiple IDs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    not 70+% and annual wealth taxes.all that free stuff has to be paid for
    So, Canada has a national health care system. They have free public colleges for those with income below $50K/yr. They have free child care. They have largely free public transportation. And they fund all that with a reasonable tax rate.

    So why is it that nothing you say makes any sense? How come that's typically the case with you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Yeah, they're the same people who voted for Bush twice, the same people who voted for Sarah Palin, the same people who stapled teabags to their faces, and the same people who put on red hats.

    They re-brand themselves more than Madonna.
    Thanks for the heads up. When Trump gets tossed out of Office and all these people disappear, and then a whole new flock of Nut Jobs reappear, I'll know what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Thanks for the heads up. When Trump gets tossed out of Office and all these people disappear, and then a whole new flock of Nut Jobs reappear, I'll know what happened.
    This is a bit of a long read, but the philosophy is there (and it's really funny).

    You might find it interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Badguy View Post
    Can anyone explain exactly how specifically socialism has caused the downfall of Venezuela?
    The Socialists promised they would fund their Socialist Welfare State by selling dirty oil ... at an evil PROFIT ... to dirty foreigners. Their politicians lied to the people that elected them. Proving once again, that Socialism is a con game for politicians to confiscate private property to enrich themselves, not the people.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
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    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    This is a bit of a long read, but the philosophy is there (and it's really funny).

    You might find it interesting.

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    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    The Socialists promised they would fund their Socialist Welfare State by selling dirty oil ... at an evil PROFIT ... to dirty foreigners. Their politicians lied to the people that elected them. Proving once again, that Socialism is a con game for politicians to confiscate private property to enrich themselves, not the people.
    Well, since OPEC is a cartel that controls the price of oil, you're saying it was wrong for the state to tell its citizens it could rely on the free market and the petrodollar to pay for things.

    Maybe you should offer that advice to the states of Texas, Oklahoma, and North Dakota...all three of which are petro-dollar states who rely on oil revenues for funding basic services.
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    Could you survive in a socialist state?
    The Jews, the symbolic icons of capitalism, learned that they can not.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    The Socialists promised they would fund their Socialist Welfare State by selling dirty oil ... at an evil PROFIT ... to dirty foreigners..
    Wait - hold on...

    1. How could they be socialists if they're selling the oil on the global market for profit?

    2. That's not a failure of socialism, it's a failure of building an economy on fossil fuel revenues (*cough* TEXAS *cough*) of which you have no control over the price because a cartel does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    The Jews, the symbolic icons of capitalism, learned that they can not.
    This is dripping with antisemitism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    We don't want a socialist state like Venezuela.

    We want a socialist state like Canada.
    OH CANADA.......NOT

    Canada: "One Really Just Society - No, Really!"

    Just Society:
    Pierre Trudeau started the Canadian cause for a society where no one "should be entitled to superfluous or luxury goods until the essentials of life are made available to everyone", which set the tone for modern day Canada, in spite of the policy's devastatingly Socialistic after-effects.

    One of the strongest social safety nets in the world:
    Welfare is widely defrauded by citizens as well as new immigrants, with hard-working Canadian citizens paying for every cent. While certain provinces, such as Ontario, have taken steps to eradicate fraud (and to get capable workers back into the workforce), these policies have been widely criticized as "violations of human rights." As it stands right now, a person fully capable of working can remain on welfare for their entire life, if they so choose.

    efficient and provides excellent service to everyone:
    The inefficiency of government control has resulted in outrageous waiting lists for services such as cancer treatment. Waiting lists for cancer treatment are considerably longer than the American average and "the times are also longer than what radiation oncologists consider to be the medically acceptable maximum" (Fraser Institute). Furthermore, in 1999, over 120 people were removed from the coronary by-pass surgery waiting list in Ontario because they had been on it so long, they were so unhealthy that they would not survive the surgery anyway. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development has also ranked Canada low for the availability of MRI and CT scanners although Canada ranked fifth for health care costs. Similar problems plague almost every area of the system.

    user fees:
    The majority of Canadians choose to believe that more government funding is the answer to health care problems. Most Canadians refuse to even entertain the idea of user fees, which even Sweden has implemented as part of the answer to dealing with patients who go to the doctor for every sniffle or cough.

    Canadian economy:
    The Canadian rate of productivity, which is directly connected to the standard of living in a nation, continues to slow, particularly in comparison to the United States. The high Canadian tax rate discourages business growth and investment and our high level of debt (which owes great thanks to Trudeau's massive expansion of social services in 1970's) has contributed to the low value of the Canadian dollar.

    best and brightest to come to Canada to work:
    The chief executive of one of Canada's top high-tech companies said it best when he said, "we sure have not created an economic climate to keep our top talent ... and wealth creators here for the coming century" (John Roth, CEO of Nortel). The low value of the Canadian dollar, the ability of American companies to adequately pay for highly-skilled workers, and the high rate of taxation has led to a "brain drain." As Roth said, "the top marginal tax rate in the United States just moved from $283,000 to $285,000. Canada's top rate starts at $65,000 Canadian, or $42,000 U.S. So in Canada, you are wealthy at $42,000 U.S. In America, you're wealthy at $285,000 U.S."


    redistribution of wealth:
    Hardly a fair system. The provinces of Ontario and Alberta are the only net contributors to the economy of the country and are punished for this by having their wealth taken. Despite being morally wrong, this system of "taking from the rich to give to the poor" is rife with flaws. A family in Alberta with a household income of $30,000 - $40,000 will pay out over $3000 for equalization payments, while a family in the province of Newfoundland which has a household income of over $100,000 will receive over a $1000 in benefits. Furthermore, these equalization payments have not led to economic development in the areas receiving them, ensuring that the system will never end.

    supports labour unions:
    Canadian law has given labour unions the right to force people to join as a condition of employment, in violation of the right to freedom of association.

    the concept of rehabilitation and human rights:
    There is no system of consecutive sentencing in Canada, resulting in such recent cases as the five year sentence given to a man who had a large role in the 1985 Air India bombing which killed 329 people. Many Canadian police officers have become frustrated as people convicted of such crimes as break and enter are routinely let off with light probation.

    Charter of Rights and Freedoms:
    While the Charter seems to defend such basic rights as "freedom of expression," its preamble enshrines religious values ("Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law") rather than a separation of church and state which any free nation should have. This allows for the continued public funding of Catholic schools, which even the UN has declared is a violation of civil rights.

    More important, Section 33 of the Charter has the infamous "notwithstanding clause" which allows for any provincial government to violate fundamental freedoms if they pass an act of Parliament. This has most famously occurred in Quebec to violate the rights of non-Francophones.

    world's strongest democracies with an accountable government:
    There is no limit to how long any Canadian politician, including the prime minister, can stay in power. The British-style Parliamentary system allows for a party to form a majority with only 40% of the popular vote. Furthermore, the West in particular does not get an adequate vote, a problem which had contributed to the Western Separation movement. In addition, Jean Chretien's 'reign' as Prime Minister has been marked by patronage appointments, scandal and corruption, in which billions of dollars have been misappropriated. He has centralized the power of Parliament within the Prime Minister's Office and maintains strict controls over his fellow Liberal Party members to prevent dissent. Amongst the critics of his government, he has been called "The Friendly Dictator." Even the leader of the Canadian citizen's group Democracy Watch, who has co-written a book with ultra-socialist Ralph Nader, does not consider Canada a democracy any longer due to the centralization of power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    So, Canada has a national health care system. They have free public colleges for those with income below $50K/yr. They have free child care. They have largely free public transportation. And they fund all that with a reasonable tax rate.

    So why is it that nothing you say makes any sense? How come that's typically the case with you?
    they are a small population without 900k illegals (this year projection) crossing into their nation yearly all demanding services

    Countries like Sweden essentially "pay it forward" and then take it out as needed.
    Can you imagine US politicians seeing a pile of money they won't loot at the moment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
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    If leftists have their way and America becomes a true socialist state like Venezuela and what is happening there happens here, could you survive? Would you be without power? Could you hunt and kill your own food? Would you have shelter and warmth?

    I have all of these things just for a rainy day, but I doubt many do. Many leftists would succumb to starvation and violence. Which isn't a bad thing
    Why do you promote a Marxist US and total dependency on gov't handouts?

    What IS it with societal parasites like you thinking you're entitle to my tax dollars?

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