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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Take a Bio 101 class and find out. :~)
    Not a good answer!And Adam ate the"apple" too!
    The blame is on both!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
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    just say some atheists and get it over with......and please quote this made up "Mesopotamian myth" (unless of course, like all the others you have mentioned, it simply doesn't exist)......

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    The "Edin" story from Babylon is set in Dilmun and on the north east coast of Saudi Arabia.. Bahrain is just full of sweetwater springs.
    link to a Babylonian "Edin" story......you know, just to prove you're not making shit up.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Jews and Muslims don't blame Eve for the Fall, and neither believes in original sin (inherited sin)... That's strictly Christian.
    you do not understand the concept of the sin of our origin......there is no blame of Eve......God criticized Adam for that foolishness on the day it happened.......we are to blame because we are what we are......human beings.....

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    all atheist arguments are arguments out of ignorance.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    just say some atheists and get it over with......and please quote this made up "Mesopotamian myth" (unless of course, like all the others you have mentioned, it simply doesn't exist)......
    Oh course it does and that has been recorded in thousands of Clay tablets in cuneiform.. in several locations. Including Dilmun and Ras Shamra.

    Have you ever heard of King Hammurabi of Babylon? 1795 to 1750 B.C

    The stories in Genesis came from Babylon long before there were any Jews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    you do not understand the concept of the sin of our origin......there is no blame of Eve......God criticized Adam for that foolishness on the day it happened.......we are to blame because we are what we are......human beings.....
    It wasn't doctrine until 300 AD. Human beings are not born sinful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Oh course it does and that has been recorded in thousands of Clay tablets in cuneiform.. in several locations. Including Dilmun and Ras Shamra.

    Have you ever heard of King Hammurabi of Babylon? 1795 to 1750 B.C

    The stories in Genesis came from Babylon long before there were any Jews.
    Duh alert,not till Noah,did the middle east come into play!Noah sailed from the America's!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Jews and Muslims don't blame Eve for the Fall, and neither believes in original sin (inherited sin)... That's strictly Christian.
    Even so, all three are patriarchal religions which put Woman under the heel of Man, whether by scripture or in practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Oh course it does and that has been recorded in thousands of Clay tablets in cuneiform.. in several locations. Including Dilmun and Ras Shamra.

    Have you ever heard of King Hammurabi of Babylon? 1795 to 1750 B.C

    The stories in Genesis came from Babylon long before there were any Jews.
    link the text copied by Genesis or simply shut the fuck up......its that simple.....every time you've pulled this shit I have proven you a liar.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    It wasn't doctrine until 300 AD. Human beings are not born sinful.
    they are born human.......show me a second human who did not sin......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    link the text copied by Genesis or simply shut the fuck up......its that simple.....every time you've pulled this shit I have proven you a liar.....
    The whole story about Marduk.. LOL.. You haven't proven anything ever. You're too lazy and uneducated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    The whole story about Marduk.. LOL.. You haven't proven anything ever. You're too lazy and uneducated.
    link some text, idiot.......you have absolutely nothing but still keep posing as someone who knows something.......back it up or back up......

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    The whole story about Marduk..
    Enki and his siblings begin to despair when the young god Marduk steps forward and says he will lead them to victory if they will first proclaim him their king. Once this is accomplished, Marduk defeats Quingu in single combat and then kills Tiamat by shooting her with an arrow which splits her in two; from her eyes flow the Tigris and Euphrates rivers and, from her corpse, Marduk forms the heavens and completes the creation begun by Enki of the earth (in some myths Enki is not mentioned and Marduk is the sole creator of the world). In consultation with Enki, Marduk then created human beings from the remains of the defeated gods who had encouraged Tiamat to wage war on her children. The defeated Quingu is executed, and his remains used to create the first man, Lullu.
    https://www.ancient.eu/Marduk/
    omigorsh, its Genesis 1 all over!.......not......I did find a parallel......both passages used the word "earth"........is that your claim of scholarship?.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Troll much MUSLIM? The only moderate Muslim is one that has his weapons removed. Reality: Its a most difficult thing to establish facts in evidence.....from a period of time that predates history. All the creation stories are a matter of oral history. That fact that all the nations of the world actually promote pre history creation stories reveals only one truth. Creation itself is a faith held by all the nations on earth. Just like there is a flood oral history from all the nations....there is a garden oral history among all the nations. Myths and Legends are developed from some common source.

    If you want to know the truth....simply commit yourself to looking for the ONE RELIGION that has never been debunked by Science or History Actual. There is only one throughout the entire world.
    . River Gihon could not possibly flow from Mesopotamia and encompass Ethiopia (Gen 2:13)
    B. The name Babel does not come from the Hebrew word 'balbal' or 'confuse' but from the babylonian 'babili' or 'gate of God' which is a translation of the original Sumerian name Ka-dimirra. (Gen 11:9)
    C. Ur was not a Chaldean city until 1000 years after Abraham (Gen 11:28, 15:7)
    D. Abraham pursued enemies to 'Dan' (Gen 14:14). That name was not used geographically until after the conquest (Judge 18:29)
    E. Gen 36:31, telling of Jacob and Esau, lists kings of Edom "before there reigned any king over the children of Israel." This must have been written hundreds of years later, after Israel had kings.
    F. Joseph tells Pharaoh he comes from the "land of the Hebrews" (Gen 40:15). There was no such land until after the conquest under Joshua.
    G. The Egyptian princess names the baby she finds "Moses" because she "drew him out" of the water (Heb meshethi). Why would she make a pun in Hebrew (Ex 2:10)?
    H. No Egyptian record exists mentioning Moses or his devastation of Egypt.
    I. Moses refers to "Palestine" (Ex 15:14). No such name was in use then.
    J. Law of Moses is the "statutes of God and his laws" (Ex 18:26), but it closely mirrors the Code of Hammurabi, which was penned 1800 BC, hundreds of years before Moses.
    K. Priests are mentioned at Ex 19:22-24, but they are not provided for until Ex 28:1.
    L. Moses mentions Rabbath, where Og's bedstead is located (Deut3:11). Moses could not have any knowledge of Rabbath,which was not captured by the Hebrews until David's time,500 years later (2 Sam 12:26).
    M. Jericho and Ai (Josh 8) were both ancient ruins at the time of the conquest of Canaan, according to archaeologists. Jericho's walls were destroyed centuries before Joshua.
    N. Kings are referred to at Deut 17:17-19, before Israel had kings.
    O. The Wilderness is viewed as history at Num 15:32, showing that Numbers was written later.
    P. The Sabbath law was unknown when the man gathered sticks at Num 15:32-34.
    Q. Book of Joshua refers to Book of Jasher in the past, mentioned at 2 Sam 1:18, therefore Joshua must be post-David.
    R. Captivity is mentioned at Judg 18:30, making it post-Exile.
    S. David took Goliath's head to Jerusalem (1 Sam 17:54). But Jerusalem was not captured until 7 years after David became king (2 Sam 5).
    T. David paid 600 shekels of gold for the threshing floor (1 Chron21:22-25). But shekels of gold were not yet used in business transactions (this is the only use of the term in the OT).
    U. Psalm 18:6 mentions the temple, thus cannot be by David.
    V. Defeat of Sennacherib did not happen at Jerusalem, but at Pelusium, near Egypt, and Jews were not involved, contrary to 2 Kings 19.
    W. Ninevah was so large it took three days to cross, i.e. about 60 miles (Jonah 3:3-4). Yet it had only 120,000 inhabitants, making a population density of of about 42 people per square
    mile for a city.
    X. Daniel's account of Nebuchadnezzar and Belshazzar is historically inaccurate; Nebuchadnezzar was never mad. Belshazzar, whom he says was king, was never king, but only regent. Belshazzar was not the son of Nebuchadnezzar, but of Nabo-nidus. Babylon was not conquered by Darius the Mede, but by Cyrus the Great, in 539 BC (Dan 5:31). Darius the Mede is unknown to history.
    Y. Chronology of the empires of the Medes and Persians is historically incorrect in Isa 13:17, 21:2, Jer 51:11, 28
    Z. Esther (and all the characters in the Book of Esther except Ahasuerus [= Xerxes]) is unknown to history, even though itclaims that its events are "written in the chronicles of the kings of Media and Persia" (Est 10:2). The Book of Esther is not quoted by any pre-Christian writer, nor mentioned in
    NT, nor quoted by early Christian fathers.

    https://m.news24.com/MyNews24/The-Pr...-more-20120517

    These are just a few historical errors in the Bible.

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