Science Denial Runs Red and Blue

[Cypress]

The NAS is not science. It is a political organization.

Nope. Backpedaling, moving the goal posts, trying to float trial balloons and new and novel premises, and attempting to back track won't help you now.

It is implausible to take the opinion of an obscure message board poster with no scientific expertise, over the standard operating practice of the National Academy of Sciences and National Research Council, who recognize the role and validity in consensus in advancing scientific knowledge.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...53#post2947253

This is the point at which your proper response is to admit you have no expertise or training in scientific research, and that you should have not attempted to be an armchair expert spouting off uninformed opinions, guesses, and suppositions about topics you are not qualified to speak on.

[evince]

Insult Fallacy.


Don't take it from me... Take it from philosophy, which defines what science is and the reasoning behind that definition.


Correct.


No, it hasn't. Science is incapable of proof. It is an open functional system. It must turn to a closed functional system such as mathematics to gain that power.


Faulty Comparison. Evolution is a religion. We don't have a time machine to go back in time to see if that's what really happened or not. Science has no theories about past unobserved events.


Crudeness dismissed on sight.

go fuck your self you idiot russo bot hole



you fucking lying on the internets is meaningless


tell Putin the GRU program is failing

[gfm7175]

and you are a worthless internets poster

so suck it

You are an "internets poster" too... Are you calling yourself worthless??

[evince]

You are an "internets poster" too... Are you calling yourself worthless??

yes I am


one that actually follows facts and NOT old myths


I deliver links with my claims



you just rant on like you are some expert while you mouth poop nonstop lies

[gfm7175]

Fun to see a scientifically illiterate tool like you spaz-out and babble nonsense like that.

You wouldn't know science if it were spitting in your face. Which it does every time you try and reference it.

Insult Fallacy. Argument of the Stone Fallacy.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. That's all, folks...

[evince]

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facts

[evince]

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/20...nder-identity/


The psychological studies that have attempted to unravel the causes of transsexuality, on the other hand, have largely failed to gain traction in modern times. For many years, psychologists characterized transgender identity as a psychological disorder. Some, for instance, believed it was a coping mechanism to “rectify” latent feelings of homosexuality, or the result of environmental trauma or “poor” parenting. No studies have been able to demonstrate this, however, and these “findings” are considered outdated and have been highly criticized for their discriminatory implications. Other psychologists have attempted to differentiate groups of transsexuals based on factors such as IQ and ethnicity; similarly, these theories have been overwhelmingly rejected due to poor study design and issues with ethics.
And so, while the list of causes for transgender identity continues to grow, it has become quite clear that it is not a conscious choice – similar to what has been described for the “reasons” behind sexual orientation. Still, at least 63% of transgender individuals experience debilitating acts of discrimination on a regular basis, including incarceration, homelessness, and physical assault. When about 1.7% of the population is in some way affected by cases of ambiguous genitalia at birth, these findings seem staggering.
So, where do we stand on transgender issues? Science tells us that gender is certainly not binary; it may not even be a linear spectrum. Like many other facets of identity, it can operate on a broad range of levels and operate outside of many definitions. And it also appears that gender may not be as static as we assume. At the forefront of this, transgender identity is complex – it’s unlikely we’ll ever be able to attribute it to one neat, contained set of causes, and there is still much to be learned. But we know now that several of those causes are biological. These individuals are not suffering a mental illness, or capriciously “choosing” a different identity. The transgender identity is multi-dimensional – but it deserves no less recognition or respect than any other facet of humankind.

facts

[Cypress]

Bulverism Fallacy. False Authority Fallacy.

The U.S. National Academy of Sciences does not define what science is.

If you, as an obscure message board poster, think you know more about science than the U.S. National Academies of Science and the National Research Council, feel free to contact them and complain to them they are dead wrong for daring to consider that scientific consensus plays an important role in advancing human and scientific knowledge.

To me, it is completely implausible to take the opinion of an obscure message board poster with no scientific expertise, over the standard operating practice of the National Academy of Sciences and National Research Council, who recognize the role and validity in consensus in advancing scientific knowledge.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...53#post2947253

This is the point at which your proper response is to admit you have no expertise or training in scientific research, and that you should have not attempted to be an armchair expert spouting off uninformed opinions, guesses, and suppositions about topics you are not qualified to speak on.

[CharacterAssassin]

Insult Fallacy. Argument of the Stone Fallacy.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. That's all, folks...

LOL! It was great seeing you banned from the Debate Politics forum a few weeks ago.

And by posting that, you just committed the "I Literally Eat Feces Fallacy".

[gfm7175]

go fuck your self you idiot russo bot hole

More insults... dismissed on sight...

you fucking lying on the internets is meaningless

Differing beliefs does not equate to lying, evince...

tell Putin the GRU program is failing

You have lost context...

[gfm7175]

If you, as an obscure message board poster,

It doesn't matter who I am, Cypress... My identity doesn't affect the argument I am making...

think you know more about science than the U.S. National Academies of Science and the National Research Council,

I DO know more about science than they do.

feel free to contact them and complain to them they are dead wrong for daring to consider that scientific consensus plays an important role in advancing human and scientific knowledge.

I would be wasting my time.

To me, it is completely implausible to take the opinion of an obscure message board poster with no scientific expertise, over the standard operating practice of the National Academy of Sciences and National Research Council, who recognize the role and validity in consensus in advancing scientific knowledge.

Again, my identity is irrelevant. You haven't been addressing my argument in any way...

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...53#post2947253

This is the point at which your proper response is to admit you have no expertise or training in scientific research, and that you should have not attempted to be an armchair expert spouting off uninformed opinions, guesses, and suppositions about topics you are not qualified to speak on.

My identity and education are both irrelevant... You are still not addressing my arguments...

[evince]

More insults... dismissed on sight...


Differing beliefs does not equate to lying, evince...


You have lost context...

you "believe" things without a factual basis


you are a worthless idiot pretending to be all knowing



you are meaningless


I gave facts

[gfm7175]

you "believe" things without a factual basis


you are a worthless idiot pretending to be all knowing



you are meaningless


I gave facts

Not what a fact is, evince... Facts are accepted predicates, not proofs.

Continued insults dismissed on sight...

[evince]

Not what a fact is, evince... Facts are accepted predicates, not proofs.

Continued insults dismissed on sight...

there are no facts in the world?


see why you are completely useless


go eat dirt and drink piss


there are no facts so it will sustain you if only you believe they will


please keep trying to prove just how meaningless you are

[Mott the Hoople]

but the part I believe you got wrong Mott is that who is supporting what



transgender is a real thing


sexual identity is a real thing


actual humans experience it whether the science has figured it out entirely or not



these science deniers are not all liberals


that is your mistake

I haven't denied that. Transgender dysphoria does exist and I also believe that those who do transition deserve equal rights and equal protection under the law and just plain common respect and dignity owed to anyone.

That doesn't change the biological fact that for the majority of people both sex and gender, as biology, are binary. I've heard the arguments that anatomical homologies are biological evidence for transgenderism (or non-binary if you prefer) and it's a silly argument. Same with the genetic arguments, the vast majority of which are cases of normal phylogenetic diversity or are extremely rare cases of genetic anomolies or mutations and even then they don't take into account the profound prenatal influence of hormones.

So the body of evidence is profoundly strong that for the vast majority of humans, biologically speaking, both sex and gender are binary and the occurances of those who actually are non binary in gender identity are rare and sex are extremely rare.