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    Most people who criticize public education are born again morons in my experience.

    Well, born again types better hope that their belief in hell is wrong--because the act of voting for Trump was irredeemable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    This is another incredibly stupid thread by bullshit blob, who in fairness, is intellectually capable only of stupid posts.
    Even as I embrace the term "socialism," he comments on our running away from it.

    "Fascistic liberals" on its face reveals the incapacity of blob to use intelligible language. The poor troglodyte is illiterate.
    Awwww...poor illiterate snowflake is triggered. I am amused that you are ignorant of what Fascism means snowflake. But here's a hint; you rant like one, you lie like one and you hate like one.

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    Nordic Socialism Is Realer Than You Think When policy commentators talk about the Nordic economies, they tend to focus on their comprehensive welfare states. And for good reason. Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden are home to some of the most generous welfare systems in the world. Each has an efficient single-payer health care system, free college, long parental leave, heavily subsidized child care, and many other social benefits too numerous to list here.


    As marvelous as the Nordic welfare states are, the outsized attention they receive can sometimes lead commentators to the wrong conclusions about the peculiarities of Nordic economies. Jonathan Chait thinks the Nordic economies feature an “amped-up version of … neoliberalism” while an oddly large number of conservative and libertarian writers claim the Nordics are quasi-libertarian.

    The common thread to these mistaken conclusions, aside from the desire to deny that there are leftist success stories in the world, is the apparent belief that the only extraordinary part of Nordic economies are the welfare states. Except for their generous social benefits, everything else is properly capitalist and even more capitalist than the United States. Or so the argument goes.

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    But this is not true. In addition to their large welfare states and high tax levels, Nordic economies are also home to large public sectors, strong job protections, and labor markets governed by centralized union contracts.

    Around 1 in 3 workers in Denmark and Norway are employed by the government.

    Protections against termination by employers are much stronger in the Nordic countries.

    Centrally-bargained union contracts establish the work rules and pay scales for the vast majority of Nordic workers.

    These labor market characteristics are hardly neoliberal or quasi-libertarian, at least if we stick to typical definitions of those terms. The neoliberal tendency, as exemplified most recently by France’s Emmanuel Macron, is to cut public sector jobs, reduce job protections, and push for local rather than centralized labor agreements. For the US labor market to become more like the Nordics, it would have to move in the opposite direction on all of those fronts.

    State Ownership
    Even more interesting than Nordic labor market institutions is Nordic state ownership. Collective ownership over capital is the hallmark of that old-school socialism that is supposed to have been entirely discredited. And yet, such public ownership figures prominently in present-day Norway and Finland and has had a role in the other two Nordic countries as well, especially in Sweden where the government embarked upon a now-defunct plan to socialize the whole of Swedish industry into wage-earner funds just a few decades ago.

    These labor market characteristics are hardly neoliberal or quasi-libertarian, at least if we stick to typical definitions of those terms. The neoliberal tendency, as exemplified most recently by France’s Emmanuel Macron, is to cut public sector jobs, reduce job protections, and push for local rather than centralized labor agreements. For the US labor market to become more like the Nordics, it would have to move in the opposite direction on all of those fronts.

    State Ownership
    Even more interesting than Nordic labor market institutions is Nordic state ownership. Collective ownership over capital is the hallmark of that old-school socialism that is supposed to have been entirely discredited. And yet, such public ownership figures prominently in present-day Norway and Finland and has had a role in the other two Nordic countries as well, especially in Sweden where the government embarked upon a now-defunct plan to socialize the whole of Swedish industry into wage-earner funds just a few decades ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Most people who criticize public education are born again morons in my experience.
    Most people who think it is doing a great job are dumb, lying Fascistas.

    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Well, born again types better hope that their belief in hell is wrong--because the act of voting for Trump was irredeemable.
    Fascists hate religion too. Yay you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm Zenz View Post
    Nordic Socialism Is Realer Than You Think When policy commentators talk about the Nordic economies, they tend to focus on their comprehensive welfare states. And for good reason. Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden are home to some of the most generous welfare systems in the world. Each has an efficient single-payer health care system, free college, long parental leave, heavily subsidized child care, and many other social benefits too numerous to list here.


    As marvelous as the Nordic welfare states are, the outsized attention they receive can sometimes lead commentators to the wrong conclusions about the peculiarities of Nordic economies. Jonathan Chait thinks the Nordic economies feature an “amped-up version of … neoliberalism” while an oddly large number of conservative and libertarian writers claim the Nordics are quasi-libertarian.

    The common thread to these mistaken conclusions, aside from the desire to deny that there are leftist success stories in the world, is the apparent belief that the only extraordinary part of Nordic economies are the welfare states. Except for their generous social benefits, everything else is properly capitalist and even more capitalist than the United States. Or so the argument goes.

    Labor Market
    But this is not true. In addition to their large welfare states and high tax levels, Nordic economies are also home to large public sectors, strong job protections, and labor markets governed by centralized union contracts.

    Around 1 in 3 workers in Denmark and Norway are employed by the government.

    Protections against termination by employers are much stronger in the Nordic countries.

    Centrally-bargained union contracts establish the work rules and pay scales for the vast majority of Nordic workers.

    These labor market characteristics are hardly neoliberal or quasi-libertarian, at least if we stick to typical definitions of those terms. The neoliberal tendency, as exemplified most recently by France’s Emmanuel Macron, is to cut public sector jobs, reduce job protections, and push for local rather than centralized labor agreements. For the US labor market to become more like the Nordics, it would have to move in the opposite direction on all of those fronts.

    State Ownership
    Even more interesting than Nordic labor market institutions is Nordic state ownership. Collective ownership over capital is the hallmark of that old-school socialism that is supposed to have been entirely discredited. And yet, such public ownership figures prominently in present-day Norway and Finland and has had a role in the other two Nordic countries as well, especially in Sweden where the government embarked upon a now-defunct plan to socialize the whole of Swedish industry into wage-earner funds just a few decades ago.

    These labor market characteristics are hardly neoliberal or quasi-libertarian, at least if we stick to typical definitions of those terms. The neoliberal tendency, as exemplified most recently by France’s Emmanuel Macron, is to cut public sector jobs, reduce job protections, and push for local rather than centralized labor agreements. For the US labor market to become more like the Nordics, it would have to move in the opposite direction on all of those fronts.

    State Ownership
    Even more interesting than Nordic labor market institutions is Nordic state ownership. Collective ownership over capital is the hallmark of that old-school socialism that is supposed to have been entirely discredited. And yet, such public ownership figures prominently in present-day Norway and Finland and has had a role in the other two Nordic countries as well, especially in Sweden where the government embarked upon a now-defunct plan to socialize the whole of Swedish industry into wage-earner funds just a few decades ago.

    http://mattbruenig.com/2017/07/28/no...han-you-think/
    Another massive pile of boorish word salad. Yay you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    dear fucking idiot con
    dictionarys define words not you
    fuck you very much
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?from=bookmark

    Sorry libturds they are not socialist!
    no shit sherlock


    they are capitalist nation that Employes Democracy, a republic and socialist ideas to create a Hybrid government


    JUST LIKE THE FOUNDERS IN THE USA SHOWED THEM BY EXAMPLE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?from=bookmark

    Sorry libturds they are not socialist!
    You really are stupid, aren't you? I don't think I need any links, because it would be considered a travesty to continually beat what's left of your mind down, with things said more times then I can imagine. You're already trying to bullshit your way around. Your catch all buzz word, Socialism, should be retired. Just say it to infants in place of peekaboo, so they can laugh at you instead of us.

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    the socialism meme is about all tbhey have left

    Its time to destroy their stupid with facts instead of dodging the issue


    The founders placed socialism as a tool right into the constitution


    It was part of the Hybrid of government they created that AMAZED the word with its brilliance

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Postal_Service



    oundations[edit]


    Running pony logo used by the U.S. Post Office Department before the creation of the USPS
    In the early years of the North American colonies, many attempts were made to initiate a postal service. These early attempts were of small scale and usually involved a colony, Massachusetts Bay Colony for example, setting up a location in Boston where one could post a letter back home to England. Other attempts focused on a dedicated postal service between two of the larger colonies, such as Massachusetts and Virginia, but the available services remained limited in scope and disjointed for many years. For example, informal independently-run postal routes operated in Boston as early as 1639, with a Boston to New York City service starting in 1672.
    A central postal organization came to the colonies in 1691, when Thomas Neale received a 21-year grant from the British Crown for a North American Postal Service. On February 17, 1691, a grant of letters patent from the joint sovereigns, William III and Mary II, empowered him:
    to erect, settle, and establish within the chief parts of their majesties' colonies and plantations in America, an office or offices for receiving and dispatching letters and pacquets, and to receive, send, and deliver the same under such rates and sums of money as the planters shall agree to give, and to hold and enjoy the same for the term of twenty-one years.[13]
    The patent included the exclusive right to establish and collect a formal postal tax on official documents of all kinds. The tax was repealed a year later. Neale appointed Andrew Hamilton, Governor of New Jersey, as his deputy postmaster. The first postal service in America commenced in February 1692. Rates of postage were fixed and authorized, and measures were taken to establish a post office in each town in Virginia. Massachusetts and the other colonies soon passed postal laws, and a very imperfect post office system was established. Neale's patent expired in 1710, when Parliament extended the English postal system to the colonies. The chief office was established in New York City, where letters were conveyed by regular packets across the Atlantic.

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    The U.S. Mail traces its roots to 1775 during the Second Continental Congress, when Benjamin Franklin was appointed the first postmaster general. The Post Office Department was created in 1792 from Franklin's operation. It was elevated to a cabinet-level department in 1872, and was transformed by the Postal Reorganization Act in 1970 into the USPS as an independent agency.[4]

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    the founders NEVER expected the US post office to pay for its self

    the republicans did that to it in the 1970s


    they were and are trying to remove it from the constitution eventually

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    the founders NEVER expected the US post office to pay for its self

    the republicans did that to it in the 1970s


    they were and are trying to remove it from the constitution eventually
    STFU about the post office you tiring cunt

    We could eliminate the post office tomorrow and nobody would know

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