“If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.”
— Golda Meir
Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.
“If Hamas put down their weapons, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons, there would be no Israel."
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Earl (02-23-2019)
iolo (02-23-2019)
Just refer to post #1
"Once she joined ISIS, she sent messages of hate herself. She spread ISIS propaganda online, calling for attacks on Americans.
In one tweet regarding Memorial Day weekend, she wrote: "Americans wake up. ... Go on drive-bys and spill all of their blood. ... Veterans, patriots."
When ISIS announced the so-called caliphate, Muthana said, the community she'd joined "interpreted ourselves that it was obligatory upon us to go."
(https://www.yahoo.com/gma/former-isi...opstories.html)
Weren't those her messages?
Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.
Earl (02-23-2019)
What the tories are doing over here is to deny citizenship to a girl who went over there and married. The internationally agreed rule is that you can't deny someone citizenship unless the person has dual citizenship and can go elsewhere. About this the tories simply lie. They'll be beaten in the courts eventually, if people can afford it, but meanwhile they can beat their hollow chests and squeak! It is okay for countries to punish those who in any way abetted ISIS crimes if they can get a court verdict. What they're all trying to do at the moment, as in so many other things, is just strike attitudes.
moon (02-23-2019)
Not surprising that your argument relies on character assassination. But the law is clear.
https://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.htmlThe 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Diplomats and their children are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. Therefore they are not US citizens.
Earl (02-23-2019)
Last edited by moon; 02-23-2019 at 08:59 AM.
" First they came for the journalists...
We don't know what happened after that . "
Maria Ressa.
Last edited by moon; 02-23-2019 at 09:01 AM.
" First they came for the journalists...
We don't know what happened after that . "
Maria Ressa.
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