Guno צְבִי (02-22-2019), ThatOwlWoman (02-22-2019)
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Guno צְבִי (02-22-2019), ThatOwlWoman (02-22-2019)
Ditto for us in MO as well. We lived in a suburb of STL that used to be Congressional District #3, represented by Russ Carnahan. His father was a gov. of MO and his mother a Senator. Once we were assimilated by the (R) Borg though, the whole area was redrawn and we were blessed with Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin and more recently by Ann "Cannot Meet in Person With My Scary Constituents Unless They are Conservatives" Wagner. From the Wikipedia article on him:
"Dramatic losses in population in St. Louis in the 2010 Census contributed to Missouri losing a Congressional seat effective 2013. In the remapping of the state's congressional districts, Carnahan's district was dismantled. The bulk of the district, including Carnahan's home, was drawn into Missouri's 1st congressional district."
We really need to get rid of that gerrymandering crap.
Guno צְבִי (02-22-2019)
Guno צְבִי (02-22-2019), ThatOwlWoman (02-22-2019)
I was responding to a poster who claimed Republicans did not support western democracy and alluded to the 2016 election in which the popular vote winner did not become president; thus, not really "democratic." I was just pointing out that most western democracies do not have a "democratically elected" (popular vote winner) chief executive.
Gerrymandering by both parties makes most congressional districts safe (except for about forty). Today, gerrymandering has less to do with safe districts than the sorting process in which most people live around people like themselves. Central cities are made up largely of Democrats (creating "wasted" Democratic votes) and suburbs and smaller town Republicans.
It's not true. Prop 8 was a ballot initiative aimed at getting the Right Wing loons to the polls. It passed, after the SC had ruled that same sex marriage was legal. The state legislature actually voted to change the language so that same sex couples couldn't refer to themselves as 'married', even though it remained legal in California
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Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Guno צְבִי (02-22-2019), ThatOwlWoman (02-22-2019)
You are basically claiming the two parties will do anything to win-I agree. Democrats controlled Congress from 1932-1994 with a couple of exceptions. During that time they gerrymandered to maintain control. They even refused to redistrict for many years to prevent political power from shifting to the urban areas until the Supreme Court decisions of the 1960s.
I grew up in a one-party Democratic state that used the worst kind of tactics to control the convention process until the reforms following the 1968 Democratic convention. Neither side has the moral high ground no matter how much liberals try to paint that picture.
Guno צְבִי (02-22-2019)
That is how we practice politics today. It is not about what policies our party pushes but what negative things we can say about the other side. It gets especially bad when we pretend tactics used by both sides (filibuster, gerrymandering) are "worse" when the other side does it.
Power is distasteful to Americans so we need to make it a moral issue rather than admitting we are using power to accomplish our goals. The same has been written about American going to war--it needs to be a moral crusade to support it.
Guno צְבִי (02-22-2019), ThatOwlWoman (02-22-2019)
To your second sentence this board is a perfect example with the way people spend far more time attacking each other than discussing ideas.
Having followed politics through multiple Presidents I’ve seen fellow Republicans support something when a Republican does it and speak out against the exact same action when a Democrat does it. I know democrats have done the same in reverse. It’s not an easy mindset to get out of and away from. Maybe being hypocritical like that is what’s required in politics to “win”.
Guno צְבִי (02-22-2019), ThatOwlWoman (02-22-2019)
I agree. We seem to be looking for things to dislike.
"Did you watch the Academy Awards?" "No, and I'm not interested in seeing the Best Picture because the director's third cousin once attended a communist party meeting and everyone knows Hollywood is liberal."
I mentioned to a relative that Nike stock lost 2% because of the shoe that came apart during that game. She said "good." I asked why and she said because Nike made a deal with Kaepernick. There are so many real problems to worry about and we are worried about Nike or Home Depot or Chick Filet.
We seem to enjoy hating. I've heard people claiming the Berkeley student who assaulted the guy was "justified" because he was a Trump supporter.
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