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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    You mean like when California voters rejected gay marriage, but the state legislature overturned the will of the people? Like that? I think it's wrong.
    If that is true, then I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Who elects these legislators?
    If you dont approve then stop electing them.
    I don't live there so there is no "you."

    Missouri is a solid red state, always has been. That being said, obviously the majority elected these legislators -- who then betray them. You don't seem to have a problem with it. Why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    As for what is specifically happening in Missouri, I cannot say I am knowledgable enough to say what other states it is happening in.
    I believe ballot propositions in California are immune to legislators excercising veto authority over - the only recourse I am aware of in California is to challenge the constitutionality of a voter-approved proposition in court. The legislators do not get a say in it.
    Looks like MO needs to enact something similar.

    A big thing in MO is the (R)s' desire to morph the state into a "right to work" state. The people have repeatedly rejected these efforts, but the war continues. Rex Sinquefield, a billionaire, has been funding the effort to weaken unions and enact right to work laws. Gee, wonder why that is? He's the epitome of all that is wrong when we start mixing massive amounts of money with politics.

    http://www.governing.com/topics/poli...-missouri.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    I've been saying for years on this board that votes don't really matter.

    Until the electoral college is terminated and republicans are actually held accountable for their cheating...…..we will never have fair elections and that includes state wide elections.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    I agree.
    Were you in Michigan when a ballot proposal passed that eliminated the Emergency Manager law? Within a month, the Republican legislature killed it and made it so it could not be put back in a proposal. They simply erased the vote of the people and substituted what they wanted. How un-Democratic and unAmerican can you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    If that is true, then I agree.
    It's not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Were you in Michigan when a ballot proposal passed that eliminated the Emergency Manager law? Within a month, the Republican legislature killed it and made it so it could not be put back in a proposal. They simply erased the vote of the people and substituted what they wanted. How un-Democratic and unAmerican can you get.
    No, we moved up here after that. You're right -- it's sickening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    You mean like when California voters rejected gay marriage, but the state legislature overturned the will of the people? Like that? I think it's wrong.
    It wasn't the state legislature that overturned it, it was the federal courts that ruled Prop 8 was unconstitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    Outlawing Conceal Carry could only be constitutionally legal if at the same time Reveal Carry were legalized.

    The right of the people to keep and [b bear [b]arms shall not be infringed (Amendment two, United Stated Constitution)!!!
    If you want to hang a pair of bear arms over your fireplace, go right ahead. But just know that bears are quite grumpy.
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    Change the constitution to the right to arm bears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    The party that routinely wins the presidency and is given a stranglehold on the federal government despite losing the national popular vote has never believed in, let along been willing to defend, western liberal democracy.
    They did defend the Constitution that provides for an electoral college to choose the president. Most western democracies are parliamentary systems that do not have a national vote for the prime minister. What has the other party done to change the situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    You mean like when California voters rejected gay marriage, but the state legislature overturned the will of the people? Like that? I think it's wrong.
    Actually both Prop 187 and Prop 8 were passed by the will of the people in ballot measures and overturned by the courts, not the legislature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    They did defend the Constitution that provides for an electoral college to choose the president. Most western democracies are parliamentary systems that do not have a national vote for the prime minister. What has the other party done to change the situation?
    Maybe I'm missing the point here but what were we doing fighting the Cold War if not to defend western liberal democracy? Were Republicans trying to turn the U.S. communist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    They did defend the Constitution that provides for an electoral college to choose the president. Most western democracies are parliamentary systems that do not have a national vote for the prime minister. What has the other party done to change the situation?
    The Republican Party does not genuinely give a shit about the Electoral College on principal, unless it allows them to win. In 2000, when pre-election polling pointed to a possibility that Al Gore might win the EC, while losing the popular vote, the Bush campaign was preparing to challenge the legitimacy of the election.

    Combine that with the fact that Republicans have gerrymandered election results, commited widespread acts of electoral fraud, suppressed voting, and done everything in the power to just make voting a hassle.

    And that is exactly why Soviet leaders told Ronald Reagan to get fucked when he tried to lecture them about the superiority of western democracy. Even though the Soviets lied about a lot of things, there was more than a kernel of truth in their claim that American conservative leaders do not give a shit about democracy, and seek to game the system to thwart the will of the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    Outlawing Conceal Carry could only be constitutionally legal if at the same time Reveal Carry were legalized.

    The right of the people to keep and [b bear [b]arms shall not be infringed (Amendment two, United Stated Constitution)!!!


    Another “shall not be infringed” idiot.

    Willful ignorance on display.

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