Who will be the next president?

[Yurt]

At this point, the Democrats could put forward an old lady with 50 cats, and I'd vote for her, over what Republicans have going.

Sexist bitch.

[Micawber]

America is not a democracy. America is a Constitutional republic.

I think it’s great that you learned that at age 40

[Earl]

WAPO:

"One dead, multiple injured after Venezuelan national guard opens fire on opposition supporters."

This is the ugly, brutal face of Socialism. Venezuela, a Socialist nation, is preventing food and medicine for starving and sick people from entering their country.

[Earl]

I think it’s great that you learned that at age 40

From evince:

"we are a full Democracy according to the real world idiot ."

I think it's great that you learned to read...at the age of 40..

[Frank Apisa]

"Average Construction Laborer Hourly Pay
$15.03"

That is the average, many are paid more.

That was my question. Why not stop avoiding it?

You said the illegal aliens in the Atlanta area are making $20 an hours for laborer work.

I shown that the average laborer wage in the Atlanta area is $13.12.

My question is: Are you telling me that the illegals are making much more than the average?

https://www.payscale.com/research/US...926/Atlanta-GA

Consider this: You may be all wet about how much the illegals are making in the Atlanta area. It may be that the illegals are at the low end of the pay scale...BELOW the average.

I mean...it is just possible.

Of course, it is possible that the people in the Atlanta area want to pay illegals more than the average wage.

IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

[Earl]

That was my question. Why not stop avoiding it?

You said the illegal aliens in the Atlanta area are making $20 an hours for laborer work.

I shown that the average laborer wage in the Atlanta area is $13.12.

My question is: Are you telling me that the illegals are making much more than the average?

https://www.payscale.com/research/US...926/Atlanta-GA

Consider this: You may be all wet about how much the illegals are making in the Atlanta area. It may be that the illegals are at the low end of the pay scale...BELOW the average.

I mean...it is just possible.

Of course, it is possible that the people in the Atlanta area want to pay illegals more than the average wage.

IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

Frank, if you will wait patiently, I will answer your post. There are quite a few posters that are posting to me. I am not avoiding your question.

Almost three (3j years ago, we had hardwood floors installed throughout our home. There were three Latinos and one jefe from Bosnia doing the work. He told me that none of the workers had green cards and that they were paid 20 dollars per hour and he was paid 25 dollars per hour. Since there is a lot of black market labor, the true average wage is hazy.

I didn’t know about the green cards until the work was almost done so don’t jump me about hiring illegals.

[CFM]

At this point, the Democrats could put forward an old lady with 50 cats, and I'd vote for her, over what Republicans have going.

No surprise there. In 2008 and 2012, you voted based solely on Obama being black and in 2016, solely on Hillary being female.

At least you admit your choices for a candidate have nothing to do with being able to do the job but identify politics. Doing what you said only shows you'd be voting for 51 pussies.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Micawber,

Disagree. The Republican Party is what is preventing the programs you referenced and Democrats in some measure embrace them.

I think we are actually in agreement. What you say above is true and I agree with it.

Recalling our conversation, you said:

Why should Republicans have to help pay for people to live longer and healthier lives?

And I said:

It has nothing to do with political party. The rich have profited greatly as US citizens so they need to pay back greatly to support the country which made it possible for them to get so rich. It's all part of promoting the General Welfare.

What I meant was that when taxes are raised on the rich to pay for government programs both rich Republicans and rich Democrats will have to pay more.

And that's the only way America can be great, the only way those programs can get paid for. People of modest means cannot pay enough to fund all those programs. That's the difference between a great country and a not-so-great country. A great country has lots of rich people who can afford to pay enough taxes to fund all those things that make America great.

America won't be great if we just give the rich everything Republicans want (low or no taxes, very little regulation.) If we did that we would have to gut the safety net. It is our safety net which makes America great.

[Mott the Hoople]

Trump will be the next president. Grit your teeth, hiss and spit venom, gnash and growl...….it will not help.

I wouldn't be to sure about that. Yes the Dem field looks pretty weak at the moment but it's still way to early and the history of unpopular Presidents like Trump getting re-elected isn't good. Only one President, "W", has ever done it and the Nation being at war helped his cause immeasurably.

Oh and before some of you illiterate fools go off on calling Trump an "unpopular" President, it's the term that historians used for a President who loses the popular vote but wins the electoral college.

So you may want to keep in mind that someone who cannot gather enough votes to win the popular vote doesn't exactly have the odds in their favor when it comes to being re-elected.

So Trump has his work cut out for him. Now of course that is made easier if a truly weak candidate (like Sen Kerry in 04) is nominated. Bernie Sanders, for example.

Right now my bet is that the Dem nominee will be either Joe Biden or Sherrod Brown. If Biden throws his hat in the ring then I think the Dems would rally around him. Biden is obviously a very experienced political operator without the knee jerk hostility that Hillary elicited from the voting public.

If Biden is the nominee then i'd give Biden 2:1 odds in favor of winning. If it's Brown I'd call the odds pretty even.

[Sirthinksalot]

Who can beat Trump: Should the candidate go low by imitating him or go high by appealing to the best in America?

The next president will be Mike Pence in 2025.

[Earl]

I wouldn't be to sure about that. Yes the Dem field looks pretty weak at the moment but it's still way to early and the history of unpopular Presidents like Trump getting re-elected isn't good. Only one President, "W", has ever done it and the Nation being at war helped his cause immeasurably.

On and before some of you illiterate fools go off on calling Trump an "unpopular" President, it's the term that is used for a President who loses the popular vote but wins the electoral college.

So you may want to keep in mind that someone who cannot gather enough votes to win the popular vote doesn't exactly have the odds in their favor when it comes to being re-elected.

So Trump has his work cut out for him. Now of course that is made easier if a truly weak candidate (like Sen Kerry in 04) is nominated. Bernie Sanders, for example.

Right now my bet is that the Dem nominee will be either Joe Biden or Sherrod Brown. If Biden throws his hat in the ring then I think the Dems would rally around him. Biden is obviously a very experienced political operator without the knee jerk hostility that Hillary elicited from the voting public.

If Biden is the nominee then i'd give Biden 2:1 odds in favor of winning. If it's Brown I'd call the odds pretty even.

This isn't high school. The most popular guy is washing cars now.

The presidency is won by winning the most electoral votes. That is the only popularity contest that matters.

[Mott the Hoople]

This isn't high school. The most popular guy is washing cars now.

The presidency is won by winning the most electoral votes. That is the only popularity contest that matters.

Well Earl of Derp...it's only happened five times that a presidential candidate has lost the popular vote but won the electoral college. So if you don't think the popular vote matters, than you're dumber than a bagful of hammers. Only one of the previous four unpopular presidents has won re-election. Those aren't exactly promising odds. The odds of Trump winning re-election, losing the popular vote but winning the electoral college are even greater.

And to completely blow your mind...the odds of winning the electoral, college if you win the popular vote are, historically, 9:1. Or to put that in the "Simple answers for simple minds" suitable for wingnut consumption, your chances of winning the electoral college are a lot better if you win the popular vote. LOL

[Nordberg]

Lets not celebrate just yet.

Hillary was leading by double digits a week before the election but a number of factors contributed to her losing the electoral college;-

1. The Russians
2. The media
3. The republicunts rigging voting machines, misplacing paper ballots, closing down voting places, voter suppression etc etc.
4. Pissed off bernie supporters voting for Stein, trump or noone at all.
5. Over confident Hillary supporters who didn't vote at all - cos they truly believed she was going to win.

There are some democrat candidates I would normally never vote for , but whoever the democrats nominate for 2020 will have my vote 100% FOR SURE.

We cannot allow this fucking nazi dotard to continue destroying the country.

And even if trump loses the 2020 election, he will be like Maduro and other fascist dictators and will refuse to leave voluntarily. He will have to be forced out by the military.

And don't forget - even after trump has gone, there will be about 60 million fucking deplorable racist republicunts doing everything they can to ensure the Democrat president doesn't succeed.

The Comey press conference did it. Trump thanked him with personal attacks and fired him. Without that perss conference, no Daffy presidency.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Earl,

WAPO:

"One dead, multiple injured after Venezuelan national guard opens fire on opposition supporters."

This is the ugly, brutal face of Socialism. Venezuela, a Socialist nation, is preventing food and medicine for starving and sick people from entering their country.

What part of the definition of socialism includes THAT?

Sounds more like a brutal dictatorship.

[Frank Apisa]

Wouldn't surprise me to see our "next president" be Mike Pence...sometime in the middle of next year.