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Thread: Immigrants Are Not Bringing Crime Into The USA. They Are Coming Here To Escape It.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Fred Koch was a founding member. He was involved from 1958 it's first year. There were 11 in the fight club.
    Weren't they big on conspiracy theories?

    In 1962, William F. Buckley, Jr., editor of the main conservative magazine, the National Review, denounced Welch and the John Birch Society as "far removed from common sense" and urged the GOP to purge itself of Welch's influence.
    He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Weren't they big on conspiracy theories?

    In 1962, William F. Buckley, Jr., editor of the main conservative magazine, the National Review, denounced Welch and the John Birch Society as "far removed from common sense" and urged the GOP to purge itself of Welch's influence.
    They were Fox, Infowars before they existed. The sad fact is the wealthy are trying to take over and they have been since the nation started. It is a huge and unending battle against the rich.
    They have the money to buy the press, and the politicians. All we have is numbers, but their press has taken almost 35 percent of voters into a right-wing bubble, where they have been convinced to vote against their own interests.
    Many on this board think a stumbling "billionaire" shares their problems and interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    They were Fox, Infowars before they existed. The sad fact is the wealthy are trying to take over and they have been since the nation started. It is a huge and unending battle against the rich.
    They have the money to but the press, and the politicians. All we have is numbers, but their press has taken almost 35 percent of voters into a right-wing bubble, where they have been convinced to vote against their own interests.
    Many on this board think a stumbling "billionaire" shares their problems and interests.
    In all my life I never met anyone rich or poor that had any regard for the John Birch Society.
    He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    In all my life I never met anyone rich or poor that had any regard for the John Birch Society.
    Obviously, did not know the right people. They were like Infowars before the net. They were crazy, but check out this board and you see a lot of people who think it is the news and the truth. It was the same for the Birchers. They even had books like " None Dare Call it Treason".

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    "Cato found that in 2015, criminal conviction and arrest rates in Texas for undocumented immigrants were lower than those of native-born Americans for murder, sexual assault and larceny."

    The CATO Institute!

    Hello.

    That's a conservative outfit.

    It was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation. Later the name was changed.

    Illegal Immigration Does Not Increase Violent Crime, 4 Studies Show

    PoliTalker anti-troll thread thief disclaimer: If this thread is stolen, plagiarized, will the thief have the nerve to use the entire OP, word for word? Including this disclaimer? If you want my take on it, you'll have to post to this original PoliTalker thread. I refuse to be an enabler for online bullies, so I won't post to a stolen thread. I won't even read it. If you don't see me, PoliTalker, posting in this thread check the author. This might be a hijacked thread, not the original.

    The Cato Institute study was just one of FOUR which all indicated the same thing.

    Immigrants are not bringing crime.

    President Trump is lying.

    Once again, Trump lied.

    Don't Fall For It!

    Trump is ripping you off. He is 'making a deal' on YOU.

    And guess what. He never comes out the loser, and he always makes win-lose deals. He wins, you lose. He distracts you with baloney, and you don't notice as his hand is in your pocket. He's got you all worried about illegal immigration, calling a crisis, calling it an emergency and he's lying. Don't buy it. Don't let him distract you as he signs off on tax breaks for the rich, giving away the farm to the rich, pumping up Wall Street, pumping up all the biggest corporations, making them and their owners 'a lot richer.' (his words)

    Are YOU 'a lot richer?' If you are, then you must not be one of the 78% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck.

    We need policy that works for EVERYBODY, not just the rich.

    We need policy that Promotes the General Welfare, not hatred and tax breaks for the rich.
    Yeah, we have enough citizens committing crimes, yet you want import undocumented illegals who would much rather break in than go through a legal security check.

    Try distinguishing between legal and illegal immigrants. The ones you advocate for break into the country. The others work most of their lives to become citizens, and they get to watch support those who couldn’t be bothered.
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    Hello Heff,

    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    Yeah, we have enough citizens committing crimes, yet you want import undocumented illegals who would much rather break in than go through a legal security check.

    Try distinguishing between legal and illegal immigrants. The ones you advocate for break into the country. The others work most of their lives to become citizens, and they get to watch support those who couldn’t be bothered.
    A mother wants safety for her offspring. This is built into the DNA of all species. If clear and present danger threatens safety it is instinctive for her to move to safety. There is no time to wait around for a long process of unclear results.

    Many of the people approaching our southern border are looking for safety. They don't want to cause trouble. They are escaping it.

    Most of the asylum seekers would never be approved for citizenship. The numbers are against them. They could apply legally and wait for the rest of their lives and the odds are they would never be accepted.

    If they come and apply for asylum they are not breaking in. Your argument is vaporized. POOF! Saying they either apply for legal citizenship or they are breaking in is incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Heff,



    A mother wants safety for her offspring. This is built into the DNA of all species. If clear and present danger threatens safety it is instinctive for her to move to safety. There is no time to wait around for a long process of unclear results.

    Many of the people approaching our southern border are looking for safety. They don't want to cause trouble. They are escaping it.

    Most of the asylum seekers would never be approved for citizenship. The numbers are against them. They could apply legally and wait for the rest of their lives and the odds are they would never be accepted.

    If they come and apply for asylum they are not breaking in. Your argument is vaporized. POOF! Saying they either apply for legal citizenship or they are breaking in is incorrect.
    They are doing what almost all our relatives did. Coming to America for a chance to have a better life and escape crime. They want their kids to have a chance.

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    Illegal immigration ..... Is a crime .

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    Hello Vasquezrocks,

    Quote Originally Posted by Vasquezrocks View Post
    Illegal immigration ..... Is a crime .
    Seeking asylum is no crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Vasquezrocks,



    Seeking asylum is no crime.
    Mexicans are NOT seeking asylum ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Immigrants are not bringing crime.

    President Trump is lying.

    Once again, Trump lied.

    Don't Fall For It!
    Nobody with a brain is falling for anything, politalker.
    Unfortunately, nobody has to pass an IQ test in order to vote.
    If we could lock the Trumpanzee crackers inside their trailer parks on election day, we'd have a hell of a good government as a result.
    Give them free meth and fentanyl if we have to.

    But please, don't expect miracles by trying to talk to the cretins.

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    Hello Vasquezrocks,

    Quote Originally Posted by Vasquezrocks View Post
    Mexicans are NOT seeking asylum ....
    And you have _______ supporting evidence to back that up?

    I would expect that some do and some don't.

    Besides. What is the problem. Did they take your migrant farm worker career? They just want to work and contribute to our economy. I don't see the downside.
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    Hello Nifty,

    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Nobody with a brain is falling for anything, politalker.
    Unfortunately, nobody has to pass an IQ test in order to vote.
    If we could lock the Trumpanzee crackers inside their trailer parks on election day, we'd have a hell of a good government as a result.
    Give them free meth and fentanyl if we have to.

    But please, don't expect miracles by trying to talk to the cretins.
    I disagree. Such a liberal victory would be a shallow one. And it would be short-lived, destined to provoke a nasty return. We need to triumph fair and square. Our ideas, concepts and platforms are superior to theirs. The merits of our arguments are destined to prevail. The harder we have to fight for the hearts and minds of the country, the more long-lasting our victory will be. We have all the pieces we need to build a fantastic country. All we have to do is overcome tremendous greed and power. We cannot prevail if we stoop to the level of petty nastiness. That is not our road to the goal of a more caring nation.

    We absolutely have to follow Michelle's rule. When they go low, we go high. We don't want to make them hate us. We need to let them love us. That door must remain open if we want a nation built on mutual caring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasquezrocks View Post
    Mexicans are NOT seeking asylum ....
    They are Central Americans fleeing from an area that our policies helped destroy.

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