Name one thing you agree with the opposing side on.

**ThatOwlWoman** · 02-22-2019, 07:11 AM

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**StoneByStone** · 02-22-2019, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Cypress

In my experience, Reichwing posters want to have the freedom to call Barack Obama a socialist, to refer to western European nations as "socialist", and the refer to the Democratic Party as socialist.

But as soon as you point out that the "socialist" nations Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Iceland, France, Norway are pretty decent places to live, they immediately start walking it back and belatedly try to claim that what they really meant is that socialism is only just the thing that Stalin, Castro, and Mao Tse Tung were doing.

I've seen this so many times, it's truly sad. When they don't like a welfare state program, it's Socialism. When you point out that welfare states work very well, suddenly it's only Socialism if there is collective ownership.

**CFM** · 02-22-2019, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by StoneByStone

I've seen this so many times, it's truly sad. When they don't like a welfare state program, it's Socialism. When you point out that welfare states work very well, suddenly it's only Socialism if there is collective ownership.

Welfare states don't work well. $22 trillion or more spent on welfare type programs over the past 50+ years in the U.S. and the percentage of people in poverty, something those programs were supposed to eradicate, still exists at the same level it did before wasting that money.

By definition, a welfare state program is socialism. Welfare state programs redistribute wealth and redistribution is the essence of socialism.

**CFM** · 02-22-2019, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman

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**StoneByStone** · 02-22-2019, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by lisasanders1964

I totally agree with what Republicans Rex Tillerson, Barbara Bush and Michael Bloomberg said and did.

Tillerson called trump a fucking moron. I agree with that . TICK.

Barbara Bush said out loud she couldn't understand why ANY woman would vote for drumpf. And not only did she vote for Hillary but she also banned drumpf and any of his family attending her funeral. I agree with all that. TICK.

And Michael Bloomberg QUIT the republicunt party because he was DISGUSTED with trump and all the republicunts sucking his tiny dick. I agree with that too. TICK.

Some of those Republicans are pretty smart.

**StoneByStone** · 02-22-2019, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by CFM

Welfare states don't work well. $22 trillion or more spent on welfare type programs over the past 50+ years in the U.S. and the percentage of people in poverty, something those programs were supposed to eradicate, still exists at the same level it did before wasting that money.

By definition, a welfare state program is socialism. Welfare state programs redistribute wealth and redistribution is the essence of socialism.

The welfare states of Europe and East Asia work very well.
I actually agree, I consider these countries to be Socialist. But the Right seems to flip flop on what counts as Socialism.

**CFM** · 02-22-2019, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by StoneByStone

Some of those Republicans are pretty smart.

So smart now means agreeing with you? That's stupid to think so.

**StoneByStone** · 02-22-2019, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by CFM

So smart now means agreeing with you? That's stupid to think so.

No, smart is recognizing the threat that Trump poses to the country. I also admire them for putting country before party.

**CFM** · 02-22-2019, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by StoneByStone

The welfare states of Europe and East Asia work very well.
I actually agree, I consider these countries to be Socialist. But the Right seems to flip flop on what counts as Socialism.

No they don't.

The left doesn't seem to understand what socialism is. Which lefty was it that said Medicare for All isn't socialist because care is provided by private doctors?

**CFM** · 02-22-2019, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by StoneByStone

No, smart is recognizing the threat that Trump poses to the country. I also admire them for putting country before party.

No, stupid is thinking because you don't like something that it's a threat.

They don't put country before party. It's stupid to believe they do.

You really are a dumb piece of shit. Are you black or do you simply share the below average 85 IQ with them?

**StoneByStone** · 02-22-2019, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by CFM

No they don't.

The left doesn't seem to understand what socialism is. Which lefty was it that said Medicare for All isn't socialist because care is provided by private doctors?

Their living standards are higher than American living standards. I'd say that's doing well.
Leftists disagree on what counts as Socialism, but Righties will flip flop on what counts as Socialism depending on the debate.

**CFM** · 02-22-2019, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by StoneByStone

Their living standards are higher than American living standards. I'd say that's doing well.
Leftists disagree on what counts as Socialism, but Righties will flip flop on what counts as Socialism depending on the debate.

Places like Denmark, Norway, Sweden, etc. aren't socialist countries. They have socialist healthcare but the standard of living you reference isn't created by socialism but by capitalism. Socialism can't do that. That's the problem with socialists. They use things like socialist healthcare to claim socialism is good yet ignore that the good comes form capitalism.

Claiming something done cooperatively and voluntarily isn't socialism is true. If a group of people get together and decide to do something and those participating contribute to the cause on a voluntary basis and those that didn't contribute don't participate, that's not socialism. Socialism would involve force or a mandate.

Are socialism, in the sense of redistribution of wealth through a government mandate, and charity the same thing?

**StoneByStone** · 02-22-2019, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by CFM

Places like Denmark, Norway, Sweden, etc. aren't socialist countries. They have socialist healthcare but the standard of living you reference isn't created by socialism but by capitalism. Socialism can't do that. That's the problem with socialists. They use things like socialist healthcare to claim socialism is good yet ignore that the good comes form capitalism.

Depends on what your definition of Socialism and Capitalism is.

**CFM** · 02-22-2019, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by StoneByStone

Depends on what your definition of Socialism and Capitalism is.

I don't define it. I apply it correctly.

**Cypress** · 02-22-2019, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by StoneByStone

I've seen this so many times, it's truly sad. When they don't like a welfare state program, it's Socialism. When you point out that welfare states work very well, suddenly it's only Socialism if there is collective ownership.

The mental gymnastics and sheer dishonesty of your garden variety wingnut on the topic of socialism is astounding.

There are some teabaggers on this board that have spent a message board career complaining about the "socialist" nations of western Europe. But, when you point out that Sweden is an example of successful socialism by the standard they are presenting, they will turn on a dime, walk it back, and holler that Sweden is "not socialist!".

Depending on what month, week, or hour it is, wingnuts have floundered and back-flipped between calling Sweden socialist and not socialist.

What is really comes down to is that teabaggers have invested decades trying to conflate socialism with the totalitarian Leninist state established by the Bolsheviks in the USSR.
While they want the freedom to holler that Barack Obama and Sweden are socialist, they will immediately walk it back if you point out that the "socialist" Swedish welfare state is a system virtually the entire world admires.