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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    I guarantee my IQ is 25 points higher than yours.
    I guarantee your IQ doesn't reach room temperature and you are a whiny little cunt on steroids lacking any ballsack while avoiding facts and looking like a moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Close but not quite.

    What noise can't seem to understand is that stock ownership is actually partial ownership of the company.

    Most stocks ( admittedly not all) are manufacturing companies.
    LINK us up you whiny little bitch. I can't imagine anyone being more full of shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    Since there seems to be some confusion about the creation of wealth I have decided it is a topic that needs to be discussed so the more ignorant among us can actually grasp who it is that creates the=is wealth, and who it is that is profiting from the labors of others to the extent that they have become pariahs in our world. We can start here.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nomy-parasites

    So entrenched is this assumption that it’s even embedded in our language. When economists talk about “productivity”, what they really mean is the size of your paycheck. And when we use terms like “welfare state”, “redistribution” and “solidarity”, we’re implicitly subscribing to the view that there are two strata: the makers and the takers, the producers and the couch potatoes, the hardworking citizens – and everybody else.

    In reality, it is precisely the other way around. In reality, it is the waste collectors, the nurses, and the cleaners whose shoulders are supporting the apex of the pyramid. They are the true mechanism of social solidarity. Meanwhile, a growing share of those we hail as “successful” and “innovative” are earning their wealth at the expense of others. The people getting the biggest handouts are not down around the bottom, but at the very top. Yet their perilous dependence on others goes unseen. Almost no one talks about it. Even for politicians on the left, it’s a non-issue.

    To understand why, we need to recognise that there are two ways of making money. The first is what most of us do: work. That means tapping into our knowledge and know-how (our “human capital” in economic terms) to create something new, whether that’s a takeout app, a wedding cake, a stylish updo, or a perfectly poured pint. To work is to create. Ergo, to work is to create new wealth.

    But there is also a second way to make money. That’s the rentier way: by leveraging control over something that already exists, such as land, knowledge, or money, to increase your wealth. You produce nothing, yet profit nonetheless. By definition, the rentier makes his living at others’ expense, using his power to claim economic benefit.

    This is an interesting example of what the article speaks of, or part of it anyway:

    http://inthesetimes.com/working/entr...porate_welfare

    Here is another part of the Amazon scam you will not hear about:

    http://inthesetimes.com/article/2157...pe-cities-data
    More social communist propaganda based upon envy and jealousy. Bolshevik politics. The have not's in this world are were they are at because of the life's decisions they have freely made. The only poor people in the US are those who have chosen to be poor. That's a fact jack. At some point in their lives they have made decisions that have placed them exactly at this point in time and situation. If you don't want to be poor....WORK. There are more jobs than applicants to fill them today. The majority of wealthy individuals in this Nation are self made. 80 to 93% on average.

    What's wrong with work in selling a product or service....to include personal skills? Its nothing short of stealing to suggest that I should share in my efforts with my neighbor who does not or will not work. There is a difference between "charity" i.e., giving with a free heart and the income redistribution schemes invoked by the left that are funds taken by threat of imprisonment or fine. As far as taxes? If 10% is good enough for God....its good enough for me.
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    Hello noise,

    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    normal maintenance to maintain equity value isn't creating wealth
    I beg to differ.

    Well cared for landscaping enhances value.

    Two otherwise equal houses on the market.

    Everything the same except one has nice landscaping, the other has an overgrown jungle.

    The one with the nice landscaping will bring a higher price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    More social communist propaganda based upon envy and jealousy. Bolshevik politics. The have not's in this world are were they are at because of the life's decisions they have freely made. The only poor people in the US are those who have chosen to be poor. That's a fact jack. At some point in their lives they have made decisions that have placed them exactly at this point in time and situation. If you don't want to be poor....WORK. There are more jobs than applicants to fill them today. The majority of wealthy individuals in this Nation are self made. 80 to 93% on average.
    First off, prove your lies. And since I know you are lying I will not wait for the proof.

    Why is it that low IQ circle jerks like you ignore those who are working 2, and 3, jobs and are still fighting to make ends meet?

    Why is it that useful idiots like you ignore that only in the area of 9% of those using government assistance do not work?

    Why do you ignore the reality that 50% of the population are not paid a high enough wage to be required to pay taxes while the ones you pay homage to are paid such a high mount you righties had to give them even more ways to avoid taxes?

    What the hell is there about that lack of integrity you suffer from that you seem to think that these wealthy are "self made" when they would have nothing if not for the assistance of the taxpayer, and then the ability to hire the talent needed to promote their agenda? How much of what Microsoft manufactures was created by Gates? Or was it the talent he hired? Does Bezos box his own merchandise, or does he hire others to do so?

    You are such a brain dead dumb fuck I don't think you can be helped. Your knee pads are too easily replaced thanks to cheap labor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Yes there is. How did you arrive at the fallacious conclusion we do not have property rights in this country?
    Watermark has to face the reality he will never own land......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    First off, prove your lies. And since I know you are lying I will not wait for the proof.

    Why is it that low IQ circle jerks like you ignore those who are working 2, and 3, jobs and are still fighting to make ends meet?

    Why is it that useful idiots like you ignore that only in the area of 9% of those using government assistance do not work?

    Why do you ignore the reality that 50% of the population are not paid a high enough wage to be required to pay taxes while the ones you pay homage to are paid such a high mount you righties had to give them even more ways to avoid taxes?

    What the hell is there about that lack of integrity you suffer from that you seem to think that these wealthy are "self made" when they would have nothing if not for the assistance of the taxpayer, and then the ability to hire the talent needed to promote their agenda? How much of what Microsoft manufactures was created by Gates? Or was it the talent he hired? Does Bezos box his own merchandise, or does he hire others to do so?

    You are such a brain dead dumb fuck I don't think you can be helped. Your knee pads are too easily replaced thanks to cheap labor.
    Laugh My Ass Off....first you demand proof that socialism is the root of communism, and proof that you are jealous of the earned income of others (I did not post this propaganda.....YOU DID)…..then you proceed to go into some ad hominem subjective (no proof) personal attack DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE CHARGING OTHERS OF DOING......presenting bullshit as evidence.

    Truth: I have nothing for socialist Bolshevik types that base their entire life on the envy and jealousy of wealth and property that others have earned....cyring and bitching about fair sharing.

    Again....LMAO Suggestion: GET A JOB, PAY TAXES and freely share what you have earned with others. But you will not....what you will do is demand the right to spend OPM (other peoples money).
    Truth: Conservatives are far more generous and charitable than socialists/liberals/progressives/demonrats.

    https://nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    LINK us up you whiny little bitch. I can't imagine anyone being more full of shit.
    Just look at the Dow Jones you flailing retard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    LINK us up you whiny little bitch. I can't imagine anyone being more full of shit.
    I did retard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Wow.
    You just don't get it, no matter how well it is explained, and it was explained very well.
    I can see part of your confusion in that he mentioned mowing the lawn in the same paragraph with landscaping.

    Mowing a lawn is just maintenance.

    Landscaping is to create a landscape where none previously existed.

    Landscaping is a PERFECT example of creating wealth and one of the tools I have used since it is easy and highly profitable. In my region the difference between a bare lot and a well landscaped lot is $50-75K. When I buy a property I buy bare. Then, casually, over time, I landscape it. This is good paying work. Being able to add 50K to my net worth for planting shrubs, some perennial flower beds and putting in a lawn is about the easiest money one can make. Note that the endeavor is also tax free as long as you buy another house when you sell.
    Otherwise you would have to pay capital gains tax on the increase in value, but even then it is worth it. Like house building itself, landscaping comes under manufacturing since a product is created (a landscape) and it's value is higher than the sum of it's components and the labor to create it.
    Hopefully this simple illustration is enough for you to understand the creation of actual wealth versus the extraction (parasitic) of wealth. One adds value, the other subtracts it.

    I know this doesn't sit with your understanding of the GDP. but really, the GDP doesn't represent wealth created, but rather the total effort. In other words the GDP is a measure of both created wealth AND extracted wealth.

    Clear as mud?
    yes. landscaping would be considered an improvement to a property.
    If PoliTalker mentioned landscaping I must have missed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Laugh My Ass Off....first you demand proof that socialism is the root of communism, and proof that you are jealous of the earned income of others (I did not post this propaganda.....YOU DID)…..then you proceed to go into some ad hominem subjective (no proof) personal attack DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE CHARGING OTHERS OF DOING......presenting bullshit as evidence.

    Truth: I have nothing for socialist Bolshevik types that base their entire life on the envy and jealousy of wealth and property that others have earned....cyring and bitching about fair sharing.

    Again....LMAO Suggestion: GET A JOB, PAY TAXES and freely share what you have earned with others. But you will not....what you will do is demand the right to spend OPM (other peoples money).
    Truth: Conservatives are far more generous and charitable than socialists/liberals/progressives/demonrats.
    Drug cartels have billions they "earned" too. But you have, as usual, shown nothing to prove me wrong. Just your usual babbling.

    BTW, do you want a list of what I have given away in the past 6 months? Bet it is more then you "earned" as a legalized liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Just look at the Dow Jones you flailing retard.
    You fucking moron; looking at the DOW doesn't support your fallacious arguments. No surprise you can't back up your stupidity.

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