Even at Top Colleges, Graduation Gaps Persist for Poor Students

[cawacko]

You are assuming of course that he is actually the father, that just might be what he was told.

Haha!

[Mott the Hoople]

There is a way out of poverty. WORK...WORK...WORK. This country provides a way to escape poverty. It is not Socialism where Venezuelans are starving or Communism in the worker’s paradise of Cuba where the average wage is 21 dollars per month.It is freedom and Capitalism. The rest of the world who is trying to come here, think so too.

I wish that were true Earl. I grew up in a poor rural environment where everyone worked, worked, worked yet most everyone was poor. Hard work is certainly to be admired and is critical and it's a big part of my own personal success, but it's not enough alone by itself. I mean...why do you think we have public schools in the first place? I'd suggest reading J.D. Vance's book "Hillbilly Elegy" to understand where Wacko and I are coming from. It's hardly a left wing thesis.

[Mott the Hoople]

Happens all the time .

Why It's OK for Colleges to Accept Minorities With Lower SAT Scores
By*Natalie Silver*|*April 11, 2012
The SATs are always scrutinized because they are a focal point of college admissions. As with most other tests, the people who do well think the SATs are a fair and accurate representation of their ability, while students who do poorly think the opposite.*

In my experience, even though some students are able to afford more SAT prep than others, the test is a fair indicator of aptitude, because affirmative action helps account for students’ socio-economic differences.

Let me explain. I took four months of private Kaplan SAT prep, which cost around $1,000 dollars, and scored a 2110 on my SAT. An African-American friend of mine took a free preparation course for the same amount of time, and scored a 1900. We had around the same grades, and my extra-curriculars were much better. We both applied to Georgetown University and Princeton University. While I was rejected from both, he was accepted. I cannot testify to the caliber of his essays or recommendations in comparison to my own. However, what seems clear is that the 210-point gap between our scores was balanced by Georgetown and Princeton’s affirmative action policies.

It should be ok to accept any kid regardless of SAT score.SAT and ACT should not be the end all and be all for college admissions. I never took the SAT or ACT but was amply able to demonstrate to my college and professors that I could be very competitive at the college level. I'm pretty sure that Wacko scored higher on the SAT than I did cause I never took it...I have no doubt I that I could complete...and then some.

[Mott the Hoople]

You do know that GPA is not the only criteria colleges look at for admissions?

or a standardized test score.

[Mott the Hoople]

One thing the left and the right can all agree on... USC is a shitty school. No one likes USC grads.

I do. I think very highly of Wacko...even if he is a bit naive.

Then again that probably doesn't help USC's cause in your book.

[Celticguy]

There is nothing that can be done, other than lowering graduation standards.

I suspect that divorce, single parenthood, and democrat controlled public schools play a bigger role than whether the students qualify for Pell Grants or not.

My first question would be were admission standards altered to get these kids ?
Second would be six year ? WTF ? five year i could buy.

[Mott the Hoople]

Haha!

So what do you think about JD Vance's political career in Ohio? The rumor mill had him challenging Sherrod Brown for US Senate but that would have been a bad move as Vance is a political novice at this time and Brown would have chewed him up. He has worked for Bob Schuler, which was a good idea as Schuler is a pretty canny politician. The National GOP has been wooing him but I think they would set him up for failure and I think Vance was wise in declining.

That doesn't mean he doesn't have a bright future in the States GOP politics, I just think at this time he's to green for a US Senate run and that he should seek a State level executive office to gain executive experience or maybe run for a US House seat to gain legislative and political experience.

I think he has the potential to be a GOP Superstar if he plays his hand well. At 34 with no executive, legislative or political experience, I think the GOP would be better off mentoring and grooming Vance for high office in the future.

[cawacko]

So what do you think about JD Vance's political career in Ohio? The rumor mill had him challenging Sherrod Brown for US Senate but that would have been a bad move as Vance is a political novice at this time and Brown would have chewed him up. He has worked for Bob Schuler, which was a good idea as Schuler is a pretty canny politician. The National GOP has been wooing him but I think they would set him up for failure and I think Vance was wise in declining.

That doesn't mean he doesn't have a bright future in the States GOP politics, I just think at this time he's to green for a US Senate run and that he should seek a State level executive office to gain executive experience or maybe run for a US House seat to gain legislative and political experience.

I think he has the potential to be a GOP Superstar if he plays his hand well. At 34 with no executive, legislative or political experience, I think the GOP would be better off mentoring and grooming Vance for high office in the future.

I'm a big fan of his and I follow him on Twitter but I haven't followed closely enough to really say one way or the other who he should run against or what he should run for. I do believe he has a compelling story and the type of person our country's body politic would benefit from having in office.

[cawacko]

You are pro open borders
You are pro abortion
You support shitty trade agreements that fuck over American workers
You support big money in education
You probably think yourself a "compassionate conservative" which is basically a big government lefty that likes tax cuts.

Just cut to the chase, your issue is immigration. I don't speak with the same rhetoric or disdain for immigrants that you do. That I believe our current system is a mess and need changing does not make me not conservative. Like Reagan said, this is the greatest country on Earth and it's why people from all over the globe want to come here. I support that. You have different feelings. That doesn't make you a conservative.

[canceled.2021.1]

Just cut to the chase, your issue is immigration. I don't speak with the same rhetoric or disdain for immigrants that you do. That I believe our current system is a mess and need changing does not make me not conservative. Like Reagan said, this is the greatest country on Earth and it's why people from all over the globe want to come here. I support that. You have different feelings. That doesn't make you a conservative.

What an interesting response. You asked for a list and I gave you one. Instead of taking each on, you try to switch the subject and shift back to your preconceived yet WRONG notion.

I don't give two shits how you speak about immigrants. You support open borders. You think hiding behind Reagan gives you cover. You aren't even old enough to ever have voted for Reagan. Invoking his name doesn't make you a conservative. Like I said, I am sure that you think you are. I mean you wax poetic about tax cuts. But, that is about all you are conservative on. You are a Rockefeller republican. You aren't what I would call an ideological conservative.

That you try to distill it down to race even though I never have shows how weak you really are.
Now you can get back to coming up with big gobblement solutions with Mott. He is just as "conservative" as you are

[Mott the Hoople]

My first question would be were admission standards altered to get these kids ?
Second would be six year ? WTF ? five year i could buy.

Times are changing. Most engineering, technology or professional majors are now 5 year programs due to extensive laboratory and internship requirements. A lot of people who enter those programs take two years of JUCO as prep and then 3 years at University with another year internship to both graduate and obtain professional licensure/certification. Hell back when I was in college a degree in Medical Technology was a 5 year academic program. I think it's a 6 year program now but you graduate with professional licensing. In fact many life science, physical science, engineering and technology degrees are 5 year degree programs and have been for quite a while.

I was a Bio major with a Chem minor. Most degrees, such as business or liberal arts, typically were 180 credit hours, on a trimester basis, to graduate. I had to complete 215 credit hours to get my degree. Based on an average full time load of 16 trimester hours per trimester that's a 4.5 year curriculum.

[cawacko]

What an interesting response. You asked for a list and I gave you one. Instead of taking each on, you try to switch the subject and shift back to your preconceived yet WRONG notion.

I don't give two shits how you speak about immigrants. You support open borders. You think hiding behind Reagan gives you cover. You aren't even old enough to ever have voted for Reagan. Invoking his name doesn't make you a conservative. Like I said, I am sure that you think you are. I mean you wax poetic about tax cuts. But, that is about all you are conservative on. You are a Rockefeller republican. You aren't what I would call an ideological conservative.

That you try to distill it down to race even though I never have shows how weak you really are.
Now you can get back to coming up with big gobblement solutions with Mott. He is just as "conservative" as you are

I don’t support open borders so right off the bat you have to lie. You also lie about education. Yes, I support trade deals as do most conservatives.

So your issue is with abortion. Awesome

[Mott the Hoople]

I don’t support open borders so right off the bat you have to lie. You also lie about education. Yes, I support trade deals as do most conservatives.

So your issue is with abortion. Awesome

He's a moron. No one supports open borders. What we oppose are populist opportunist politicians manipulating mouth breathers that there is a non existent crisis and demonizing people from other countries. It's fucking grossly irresponsible and it's going to get innocent people hurt.

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Whites have never been persecuted.

You stinking liar. We've had massive affirmative action in america for 50 years. AA is govt mandated persecution of white men and the biggest hate crime in america. THINK you miserable white-hating racist wretch.

[Text Drivers are Killers]

These kids are not prepared in high school.
The school districts pass these kids through regardless of their ability.

Yup - affirmative action grading is everywhere in our public schools. A HS diploma for a black is meaningless and all employers know it.