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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, dude. You haven't explained why the Fed is to blame for the poor performance of the market in 2018 because you know the Russia Tax Cut is the reason for the market not growing at all in 2018. We're only now back to where we were before the Russia Tax Cut. A whole year of growth wasted!
    We’ve spoken about the Fed for years on this board and what their policies have done to the market. I can’t help you if you aren’t able to understand it. I mean you didn’t even understand what an equity bubble is. Like I said, it’s pretty hard to have a discussion with someone with such a limited understanding.

    Pro tip, instead of being a one trick pony and screaming tax cut over and over because you don’t understand anything else, go read up on the Fed and how institutional investors have reacted to Powell’s various announcements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    We’ve spoken about the Fed for years on this board and what their policies have done to the market.
    standard Libertarian rant........"The Fed, the Fed, the Fed!!"

    stuff that looneytarian horseshit wacko, and move out of MY state

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    We’ve spoken about the Fed for years on this board and what their policies have done to the market. I can’t help you if you aren’t able to understand it. I mean you didn’t even understand what an equity bubble is. Like I said, it’s pretty hard to have a discussion with someone with such a limited understanding.
    No. What happens is that you say something vague and ambiguous, backed up by incomplete information designed specifically to coddle an inherent bias rather than lead you to new thinking. When you're not blaming the Fed, you're blaming Obama, or "socialism", or whatever you think depending on which day of the week it is. But what you don't blame, that you should, are the fiscal and economic policies of Conservatism that has, for the last 40 years, generated boom and bust cycles independent of Fed action. Your central belief system, that you have seemingly jettisoned because the empirical evidence doesn't deliver on the promise made of it, was that a deregulatory, low-tax enviornment would unleash economic activity that would make up for the drop in revenue from the tax cuts, with new revenues that come from increased economic activity vis-a-vis your tax policy. But we now have data from the last year showing that the opposite is actually the case.

    So you make excuses for the failure of your policy when you should really just admit your policy is the failure.

    Conservative economics only seem to work in theory, in a vacuum, where every variable is controlled. Then you blame other things for when that policy never works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Pro tip, instead of being a one trick pony and screaming tax cut over and over because you don’t understand anything else, go read up on the Fed and how institutional investors have reacted to Powell’s various announcements.
    The Treasury Secretary that you support said in December 2017 that the Russia Tax Cut would grow the market.

    In fact he said specifically that if the Russia Tax Cut wasn't passed, the market would "tumble":

    “To the extent we get the tax deal done, the stock market will go up higher. But there’s no question in my mind that if we don’t get it done you’re going to see a reversal of a significant amount of these gains.”
    Nothing about the Fed there.

    So you jump to an excuse, The Fed, without answering for the fact that the Fed had nothing to do with your tax cut juicing the market for two quarters, then crashing down hard because the fundamentals of your economic theory simply aren't there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    standard Libertarian rant........"The Fed, the Fed, the Fed!!"

    stuff that looneytarian horseshit wacko, and move out of MY state
    He wants to blame The Fed for the market turmoil of the last year when the Treasury Secretary that he supports said that if the tax cut wasn't passed, the market would tumble and lose all its gains.

    Well, the tax cut passed, and the market didn't gain anything for an entire year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Pro tip, instead of being a one trick pony and screaming tax cut over and over because you don’t understand anything else, go read up on the Fed and how institutional investors have reacted to Powell’s various announcements.
    You're the ones who made all these fantastical claims and promises of your tax cut, posturing that your economic knowledge and beliefs would see those promises fulfilled.

    Guess what? NONE OF THEM WERE FULFILLED.

    So we will continue to talk about the Russia Tax Cut because you controlled all of DC, you made promises of your tax cut, you made cutting taxes central to your economic belief system, and now you refuse to answer for those failed and false promises, posturing about The Fed when The Fed had nothing to do with the market turmoil and zero growth we saw in 2018.
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    The Stock Market and the Treasury Bond market competes for dollars.

    So naturally, the Stock Market Talking Heads are always on the Federal Reserve's heals every time they have to go up on their rates.

    Because a lot of the money invested in the Stock Market are on Borrowed Terms, and when the Fed rates goes up Stock Market investors cry like little babies.

    Since Treasury Bond yield rates are reflected by Federal Reserve Interest Rates- in other words, when Fed Interest rates are higher- Treasury Bond yields are higher and become more attractive- when Fed interest rates are lowered- Bond yield rates are also lowered and Treasury Bond sales are not so attractive.

    I think people forget how important the Treasury Bond Market is, and they forget that our entire 2O Trillion dollar debt is mostly riding on our Treasury Bond market!

    So the Federal Reserve Bank has a very important role in maintaining the right interest rate to keep Treasury Bonds and Bank rates attractive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    It's not the Fed that caused the last 13 months of market turmoil...it was the Russia Tax Cut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    The Fed wasn't the reason for the last 13 months of market turmoil...that falls squarely on the Russia Tax Cut.

    A Russia Tax Cut that Conservatives said would grow the market.

    A Russia Tax Cut that Conservatives said would stop outsourcing and offshoring.

    A Russia Tax Cut that Conservatives said would pay for itself.

    A Russia Tax Cut that Conservatives said would raise wages by $4K-$9K.

    Blaming the Fed for the recent market turmoil is the coward's way out of acknowledging your fundamental core economic beliefs are horseshit. Like the core economic belief that cutting taxes generates increased economic activity, which leads to higher revenues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Here's what happened to the markets over the last 13 months:

    You juiced them in Q1 and Q2 2018 because your Russia Tax Cut resulted in increased earnings for two quarters. Then, the sugar high petered out and the market came crashing back to what it was before the tax cut because companies couldn't replicate the same earnings growth from the first half of the year.

    So an entire year of market growth was wasted because of your stupid Russia Tax Cut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Hahaha. The best part is he got his MBA from Booth which is tied with Harvard in the rankings as the number one business school in the country and yet he thinks the stock market is the economy and has no idea what the Fed does and how their actions drive markets. I mean how one graduates from the top business school in the country lacking that knowledge is beyond my comprehension.
    That idiot doesn't have an MBA from anywhere given the moronic eruptions he constantly emotes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    LV claims he did
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Fed has always, and still,is dealing with the economy in small increments. A quarter of a percent does not impact the economy much at all. Investors bitch about it, but it is no big deal. What does matter is a president who says crazy shit and fiddles with tarrifs like the economic neophyte he is. Trump is the cause of the swings in the market. His tariffs are a huge problem.
    The FED doesn't deal with the economy you moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    He's an idiot, and that's a personal attack.
    No; you are speaking from FACTS. He really is an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Wouldn't growth in the economy translate to growth in the markets?

    Besides, you all promised it would grow the market. Treasury Secretary Mnuchin literally said “To the extent we get the tax deal done, the stock market will go up higher."

    The market growing now, well after the tax cut was passed, shows that an entire year of market growth was wasted in 2018.
    Once again:

    Trumps Inauguration 1/20/17 the Dow was 19,827.25

    Current DOW = 25,877.96

    GAIN = 6050.71

    MORON.
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