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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    What hospitals need to do is NOT treat those that can't pay. Problem solved and the rest of us don't pay higher prices.

    You have the attitude of a classic third world country

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I agree to an extent but it's impractical from a humanitarian standpoint.
    I will say this though. Anyone getting free stuff from the gubmint should be subjected to big brother watching them.
    Gubmint should monitor how much Medicaid recipients spend on booze and cigs. Any amt. spent over an allowed minimum reduces their entitlement.
    Rampant Medicaid abusers of alcohol and tobacco get palliative treatment only since medical care is a total waste on those people anyway.
    I'd allow Medicaid to pay for tobacco cessation and drug/alcohol rehab if the abusers are serious about getting their full entitlement back.
    I need to be King. The country needs someone with common sense to make these policies.
    Great take, Doc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I agree to an extent but it's impractical from a humanitarian standpoint.
    I will say this though. Anyone getting free stuff from the gubmint should be subjected to big brother watching them.
    Gubmint should monitor how much Medicaid recipients spend on booze and cigs. Any amt. spent over an allowed minimum reduces their entitlement.
    Rampant Medicaid abusers of alcohol and tobacco get palliative treatment only since medical care is a total waste on those people anyway.
    I'd allow Medicaid to pay for tobacco cessation and drug/alcohol rehab if the abusers are serious about getting their full entitlement back.
    I need to be King. The country needs someone with common sense to make these policies.

    I dont necessarily disagree with you but you need to add sugar and wheat to your list

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    Admittedly It would be hard to say the least.
    Ill have to think about a solution. But wouldn't you agree that anyone receiving free shit from gubmint should be subjected to the severe inconvenience of being monitored?
    Being hard would mean it could be done. It's impossible to monitor the things you mentioned.

    Anyone receiving free things that taxpayers are forced to fund should get only what those doing the funding say they should get not what some politician supporting such things wants to give them in order to buy votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    You have the attitude of a classic third world country
    You have the attitude of someone that thinks they deserve something they don't pay for. My attitude is one of personal responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    Where I live ER's are begging for pts.
    Wow.....how so?
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Wow.....how so?
    They advertise like crazy. They have huge electronic signs out front showing the present ER waiting time. Usually no more than 10 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    Being hard would mean it could be done. It's impossible to monitor the things you mentioned.
    Not really. E.g., anybody and everybody in AK must show an ID to buy booze in AK, even in a bar no matter the age. They look for a stamp placed on their ID indicating if they've ever been convicted of a DWI. DWI, no alcohol, period.

    A special ID can be made for buying cigs and alcohol use only. If they are a medicaid recipient it would show on the alcohol/cig ID. The amt. each person buys could be swiped and put into the system.
    If the ID doesn't have the medicaid stamp on it they can buy all they want, Big Brother isn't watching those folks.
    It could be done. Not easy but possible.
    I need to be King. The country needs it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    They advertise like crazy. They have huge electronic signs out front showing the present ER waiting time. Usually no more than 10 minutes.
    Ooooh OK. Yes. That goes on here as well with billboards showing the low wait time. We have quite few wonderful Urgent Care Centers all over Ocala and Gainesvillle. They send lots of mass-mail flyers in the mail. I used a real nice one for a couple years before I was 65 and got my Medicare. Marion and Alachua counties both have State Health Depts. with smaller satellite clinics spread out through the rural areas as well which is nice for all the horse farm workers.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
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    Quote Originally Posted by tff View Post
    That's what you will get if you end government run health care. People who can't afford health insurance will have to go emergency clinics to get treated for things their primary care doctor/specialist used to handle.

    Also, all the money you saved by ending government health care will go to pay your new health insurance premium...which will be much higher.

    What does it matter if you pay for the ones who don't pay when you pay taxes...or when you pay your health insurance?
    Wrong. If you get injured or sick at the wrong time, you go to emergency and wait, wait and wait to be seen. I got hit over the eye with a racket playing racketball and had to get 8 stitches. It took about 5 hours to get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    I dont necessarily disagree with you but you need to add sugar and wheat to your list
    Sure, you could add potato chips too I guess. Depends on how far is practical.
    I think my special ID for buying tobacco and alcohol is practical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    There are tons of Urgent Care Clinics with reasonably priced services. Also, there are State Health Dept. Clinics where you pay on a sliding fee schedule. If one can't afford either of those, then one is eligible for Medicaid offered through the State which also offers dental services.
    Three solid options against showing up in hospital emergency rooms for non-emergency care.
    Period. Get over it.
    There are plenty of ignorant people who think medical care should be "free" which is part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Yep. Hospitals are not going to give out treatment for free. They will recover whatever is spent on treating the uninsured by charging health insurance companies more. Those companies will then pass along those costs to you in the form of higher premiums and higher deductibles.
    Which is exactly what was happening before, the tax payer was getting the Bill, and still are!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Wrong. If you get injured or sick at the wrong time, you go to emergency and wait, wait and wait to be seen. I got hit over the eye with a racket playing racketball and had to get 8 stitches. It took about 5 hours to get it done.
    Shouldn't have played with that three yr old girl that whipped your arse~

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    Not really. E.g., anybody and everybody in AK must show an ID to buy booze in AK, even in a bar no matter the age. They look for a stamp placed on their ID indicating if they've ever been convicted of a DWI. DWI, no alcohol, period.

    A special ID can be made for buying cigs and alcohol use only. If they are a medicaid recipient it would show on the alcohol/cig ID. The amt. each person buys could be swiped and put into the system.
    If the ID doesn't have the medicaid stamp on it they can buy all they want, Big Brother isn't watching those folks.
    It could be done. Not easy but possible.
    I need to be King. The country needs it.
    That assumes everyone that drinks is the one that purchased the alcohol.

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