Big Problem For The Right: 'Socialism' Is No Longer A Bad Word. You Must Now Explain

[Minister of Truth]

They are desperately trying to make it a bad word again, trying to tie it to the situation the US created in Venezuela.

Don't worry, idiot. People can see what is going on in Venezuela, despite your pathetic attempts to deflect.

[Minister of Truth]

Fascism is about as right wing as you can get, that why you support it!

I reject all illiberal ideologies equally, except for Marxism and Nazism, which I have a special hatred for. Fascism is equally bad as socialism.

[floridafan]

I reject all illiberal ideologies equally, except for Marxism and Nazism, which I have a special hatred for. Fascism is equally bad as socialism.

get with the program, your kind embraces Fascism. The more corporate power, the better.

[Minister of Truth]

get with the program, your kind embraces Fascism. The more corporate power, the better.

[Micawber]

I'm no fan of socialism, or even merely onerous regulation. The problem is a responsible democracy
will create laws to deal with the amount of corruption that capitalism creates. Right now in the
USA we have slid down towards banana republic and mafia levels of crime, lack of transparency and
failed corporate ethic. Therefore there is a marked uptick in the type of regulation on business
we see coming from statehouses and DC. That does make the USA socialist, even as much as it pleases
the right wing political class of whores for the wealthy to trot that out to the cheers of its ignorant
rabble of malinformed rural lemmings. If we didn't have so much lying cheating and stealing, we wouldn't
create so much regulation to prevent lying cheating and stealing. It's your fault.

[StoneByStone]

Holy shit, yes!
No longer can Republicans just say "you can't have universal health care because IT'S SOCIALISM!!"
Fine, that's Socialism, we don't care. Tell us WHY having universal health care is bad.

[StoneByStone]

Don't worry, idiot. People can see what is going on in Venezuela, despite your pathetic attempts to deflect.

And it's getting out that Venezuela failed because of American meddling.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Howard the Duck,

Again with the reading comprehension. I didn't say that progressivism, socialism, Marxism, monarchy, and fascism have the same meaning. I pointed-out that they are illiberal, which is the first reason any of them should be rejected.

Why should things illiberal be rejected?

I think we have had great success mixing socialism (which I consider to be liberal) with our capitalism and we need to continue to add more socialism as capitalism creates greater wealth inequality.

[iolo]

Capitalism can't work without what the Americans call 'socialism'; for a fair time the US has been able to fool the mugs by looting the world, but even so its weird mid-Nineteenth-Century Manchester Liberalism still left a high proportion of the population very obviously worse off than anyone in most modern countries. What's obvious to everyone else will eventually get through to your masters, just wait and see!

[PoliTalker]

Hello Howard the Duck,

Don't worry, idiot. People can see what is going on in Venezuela, despite your pathetic attempts to deflect.

Nothing pathetic about it. It is a completely academic argument. Dropping the animosity may lead to greater understanding. It's not like I am trying to bite your head off. Nor was Jarod's post. Just layin out a few concepts.

Two people can look at the same thing and see different things. Those who are hung up on the assumption that socialism is always bad are quick to over-simplify the situation in Venezuela, quick to blame socialism. Actually, capitalism and greed had a hand in what transpired there.

Socialism isn't always right all the time for every situation. Both capitalism and socialism have their good points and their bad.

That's why we are correct to have a blend of the two.

We do need to work on getting the balance correct.

The greater extreme wealth inequality becomes, the greater the need for more socialist programs such as universal health care and the UBI.

That's where it's going, you know.

And you know something else?

There's not a single thing you can do to stop it.

So you may as well get used to the idea.

We have some socialism and we are going to have more.

We need it to balance out the downside of capitalism, the way as capitalism creates extreme wealth, that it also creates masses who are lacking basic comforts and securities.

We are forced to use socialism to offset the damage that capitalism does to the economic stability of the nation.

Conservatives are all, like: 'Yaay profits!' And liberals are reminding them we also have a lot of people to consider: 'Yaay PEOPLE!'

It is not enough for conservatives to say that anybody can make it in the USA. That's true, but for most it doesn't happen. Most people are not capitalists, are not motivated by the profit motive. Most earners work for somebody else. They make one deal for a job and then they forfeit all profits to the capitalist, only drawing a salary or wage. Their only motivation to work hard is fear of losing their income stream. They could just as easily work for the government, and may even get a better deal doing so. Most people are not capitalists. That's why socialism is so popular. Conservatives managed to keep a pox on the 'dangerous' word for a long time, but those days are over. You can only fool all the people some of the time.

Capitalism seeks to extract wealth from the masses, socialism seeks to return it.

Workers are tired of seeing the wealth they created being used to build massive fortunes for a few, while so many are so lacking in their needs.

Capitalism is great for wants.

Socialism is ideal for needs.

We all have wants and needs. It is natural and correct to blend socialism and capitalism.

We just need to get the mix right.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Howard the Duck,

Fascism is equally bad as socialism.

No, fascism is far worse.

Capitalism is just as bad as socialism.

[PoliTalker]

Hello iolo,

Capitalism can't work without what the Americans call 'socialism'; for a fair time the US has been able to fool the mugs by looting the world, but even so its weird mid-Nineteenth-Century Manchester Liberalism still left a high proportion of the population very obviously worse off than anyone in most modern countries. What's obvious to everyone else will eventually get through to your masters, just wait and see!

They already know. They are just trying to stave it off as long as possible. They gonna milk that cow till it croaks!

[Minister of Truth]

And it's getting out that Venezuela failed because of American meddling.

Maduro is taking his marching orders from DC?

[Minister of Truth]

Hello Howard the Duck,



No, fascism is far worse.

Capitalism is just as bad as socialism.

Fascism and socialism both lead to political prisoners and tyranny. Capitalism is as good or bad as your opinion of America and liberty happen to be. Attacking it just shows that you have abandoned liberalism.

[StoneByStone]

Maduro is taking his marching orders from DC?

No, DC is trying to get rid of Maduro after they hit Venezuela with sanctions. Just another in a long list of Latin American countries that America has fucked up.