kudzu (02-18-2019)
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kudzu (02-18-2019)
It basically comes down to this: Conservatives invested entire political careers and message board careers hollering that western Europe and Scandinavia are socialist.
This is the year 2019, and millennials are pretty much aware that Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, France, Netherlands, Finland, Iceland are pretty decent places to live, and very civilized by world standards.
Leading Republicans Call Western Europe "Socialist"
Newt Gingrich has constantly accused the president of being a "European Socialist", often adding in a reference to an all-but-forgotten community activist from Chicago, who died in 1972, but whose Democratic-leaning writings are thought to have influenced the current president
"I am for the Declaration of Independence; he is for the writing of Saul Alinsky. I am for the Constitution; he is for European socialism," Mr Gingrich told voters in Florida last week.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16583813
Leading Republicans Refer to Western Europe as "Socialists"
....(and let's not forget, rightwing message boarders have spent years calling western Europe "socialist")......
Lately it seems that not a day goes by without a Republican presidential candidate portraying Europe as a socialist nightmare. Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum paint a picture of the Old World as unfree, strangulated by bureaucratic and inefficient welfare systems, and unable to reform and modernize. To these Republicans, Europe seems to be the antipode to everything America is meant to be.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.310f3f267a8a
kudzu (02-18-2019), PoliTalker (02-18-2019)
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kudzu (02-18-2019)
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
Hello kudzu,
It is because they have all these doubts about American capitalism. It treats a few extremely well, many fairly well, but then there are these very troubling people who fall through the cracks. Is it possible for anyone in America to succeed beyond their dreams? Of course it is, but it only rarely happens. 78% of Americans have no savings and live paycheck to paycheck. Some great system. No wonder people have to dwell on and even make up things about other systems. It's easier to believe you're part of a good thing when others have it worse than you.
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Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
kudzu (02-18-2019)
Because we label them and call them different and dangerous. Our medical system is a mess and should be universal. Our tax structure is designed to move money to the top. We have to make changes for truth, freedom and the American way. We are headed to Fascism with Trump.
kudzu (02-18-2019)
I understand perfectly well why.
Conservatives don't think we should have a Scandanavian-model democratic socialist welfare state because our country has high percentages of "lazy", criminal brown people who cannot be trusted to participate in a social welfare system, and would seek to take advantage of it to live a life of leisure. The whites of Sweden can obviously be "trusted" to the mind of a conservative.
You don't even have to take my word for it. There are about five billion examples on this one message board alone where conservatives wrote that blacks only vote for the Democratic Party "to get free stuff".
Guno צְבִי (02-18-2019), kudzu (02-18-2019)
Hello Howard the Duck,
I suggest you read my PIP.
That's trying to over-simplify the world. It's really more complex than that. If all those words meant the same thing we wouldn't need so many words. The reason we have these different words is because they are not the same thing.
I interpret ill-placed criticism as a sign that an attempt is being made to distract from a truth one wishes were not so.
And the troubling truth is: Socialism is no longer a bad word.
And that is a big problem for the right, which once had only to use the magic S-word to shut down a discussion, but now has to explain why this is so undesirable.
As we see, there is a great struggling to rise to this new challenge.
It is complicated by the fact that the USA has been using socialism, and mixing it with capitalism, quite successfully for a long time.
Many claim that capitalism has produced the highest standard of living in history for the USA. The problem with that is it is not entirely true. The standard of living in the USA kinda stunk until the New Deal. After we got a minimum wage, Social Security, and numerous government assistance programs, the standard of living in the USA shot WAY up. Thanks as much to socialism as to capitalism.
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Guno צְבִי (02-18-2019), kudzu (02-18-2019)
“If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.”
— Golda Meir
Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.
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kudzu (02-18-2019)
PoliTalker (02-19-2019)
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
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