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Hello Howard the Duck,
I agree that fascism leads to tyranny.
I also believe that tyranny can happen under both capitalism and socialism.
But our differences partly stem from the fact that we have differing definitions for socialism.
I think Social Security is socialism. You don't, do you?
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"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
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"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
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"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
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1) You can't have elements of socialism within a liberal order. You can have illiberal elements, such as progressive policy, just as you can see the numerous instances of corporatism that plague America, even though we are not a fascist state, either.
2) You can still invest into numerous types of retirement plans, such as IRAs, Roth IRAs, 401k, mutual funds, trusts, etc. The government did not go and take over/ban the private financial retirement planning sector when it established social security.
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
Tyranny cannot occur under capitalism, because capitalism is market liberalism. Capitalism can lead to corporatism, which can lead to the collapse of market liberalism, and give rise to a fascist state. This would be properly termed "creeping fascism," the way "creeping socialism" is the slow process of progressivism undermining and collapsing the liberal order.
In the same manner, political liberalism can become undermined through the democratic process, when it undermines civil liberties and constitutional protections. This is how a republic can be supplanted by an empire. Ultimately, every facet of liberalism can be undermined by an illiberal mechanism, which can lead to a collapse of the liberal order.
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
It's not tyranny when the president is democratically elected. And the sanctions came before the economic fallout.
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...-Liberal-Media
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
iolo (02-26-2019)
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
Have you actually paid attention to a single thing that has occurred in Venezuela over the past few years?
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/...-dictatorship/
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Howdy Howard,
How can corporatism be prevented? They are so powerful already. More powerful than nations.
Your uncommon definitions for liberalism make it hard to follow. You're speaking a different language. And I don't think you are going to get everybody else to speak it.
We must have laws. Without laws and regulations unscrupulous people will destroy the free market. Therefore, we must have government and we must appreciate it.
Those who hate government hate law and order.
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Corporations are not close to wielding the power of nations. Progressivism is illiberal because it seeks, in all facets of society/law/government to undermine the liberal order (like using US courts to undermine the Constitution) and to supplant the principles of liberalism with progressivism. Left unchecked, it will ultimately lead a Western liberal democracy to collapse outright or to transition into an illiberal form of government and order.
Right now we see the progressive left's contempt for law and order, from incidents like Ferguson to municipal governments having problems maintaining their police forces (like the present situation in Seattle not being able to recruit officers) to the situation with our court system.
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
Hello Howard the Duck,
I disagree. Today's mega corporations are currently more powerful than all but the largest nations. And their new trade agreements actually hold even large nations responsible for loss of hoped-for profits to the extent that corporations can hold 'trials' in which they find nations guilty for such transgressions as making laws they don't like and then fining the 'guilty' nations. If a nation decides to give labor more power, it could be forced to pay mega-corporations which have been 'harmed.'
What some call 'undermining the Constitution,' others believe is following their interpretation.
Such as in France?
Blatant stereotyping here. Just because some on the left have opposed some law organizations does not mean the 'the left' has 'contempt for law and order.' Hello. The same reasoning could be applied to the right. Ted Bundy. Waco. Trump's many lawsuits for profit against small contractors who only wanted to get properly paid for their work. None of that means 'The Left' has contempt for law and order any more than 'The Right' does.
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Do you think a corporation could defeat a nation in battle?
Also, no one believes that undermining the Constitution with dishonest and corrupt rulings is "interpretation." It's power politics, and it's not really a mystery to anyone. Also, the efforts, such as those I cited, are becoming more common and much more organized. The supporters of ordered liberty among the left are becoming the true outliers.
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
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