Earl (02-28-2019), Evmetro (02-13-2019), Truth Detector (02-13-2019)
Socialist/Communist is accurate but not a stem-winder phrase that speech writers dream about; so President Trump said “AMERICA WILL NEVER BE A SOCIALIST COUNTRY.”
Trump could have, and should have, said “AMERICA WILL NEVER BE A COMMUNIST COUNTRY.”
Trump saying “Socialist” sounded good but it was a mistake because the public separates Socialism from Communism when there is only one difference between the two. Early Socialist planners planted the misconception in the late 19th century when they set out to acquire political power incrementally, while Communists preferred violent revolution.
The intelligentsia knew the public would accept the word SOCIALISM, but never COMMUNISM because of the Soviet Union’s documented brutality; so the press and the teachers took the misconception to new heights in the 1930s when they laid down their most efficient lie to date —— Communism is good because Fascism is so bad. (Socialism is good because Fascism is so bad)
Finally, imagine what Trump would have done to the Democrat Party had he said COMMUNIST! This cartoon defines the debate Democrats will kill to avoid:
Last edited by Flanders; 02-13-2019 at 09:21 AM.
The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer
Earl (02-28-2019), Evmetro (02-13-2019), Truth Detector (02-13-2019)
Good post. Socialist, communist, progressive, Democrat, lefty, and commie all mean the same thing these days. I either call them lefties or commies, but they all want free shit and they are all parasites. Lefty politicians like to use various identifiers to try making their agenda sound better, but they all mean the same thing to their commie base who are going to vote for whatever commie is going to get them the most free shit.
The Truth Does Not Need To Be Supported With Censorship.
Flanders (02-13-2019), Truth Detector (02-13-2019)
Socialist is a synonym for entitlement minded freeloader.
You don't even know what socialism is? We already have some in America, just not with our healthcare. That's the big one most if not all civilized countries have figured out. So why is America the best, when it sucks at so many things?
kudzu (02-15-2019)
@ post 1
I doubt anyone under the age of 40 even remembers the cold war, and anyone at this point who is still indulging in 1950s-era archaic and outdated cold war lexicon is really showing their age. What are you, like eighty seven years old??
As an antidote to your historical ignorance, I will give you one history lesson for free: the Bolsheviks, and the totalitarian Leninist state they established were among history biggest mass murderers and oppressors of Russian liberals and Russian democratic socialists - who were opposed to the idea of a totalitarian Leninist state, and were keen to establish a federal democratic socialist republic or a constitutional monarchy.
iolo (02-15-2019), Phantasmal (02-13-2019)
The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer
Descriptors are descriptors...some people like and use them, some people don't.
I am no more a socialist or a communist...than I am an American conservative. But I would MUCH rather be mistaken for a socialist or a communist...than an American conservative.
And rather than "an American conservative who supports Donald Trump"...I WOULD EMBRACE SOCIALIST OR COMMUNIST. Being either of those things is a hell of a lot less insulting!
Hitler and the Nazis outlawed socialism, and executed socialists and communists en masse, even before they started rounding up Jews.
In 1933, the Dachau concentration camp held socialists and leftists exclusively. The Nazis arrested more than 11,000 Germans for "illegal socialist activity" in 1936.
In the 1930s and even beyond, nazism, in sharp contrast to socialism, was strongly supported by leading capitalists and right wingers in the US. Henry Ford, the leading industrialist and auto maker, was a great admirer of the nazis.
When Henry Ford announced that he might run for president in 1923, the little-known Hitler told the Chicago Tribune that he would like to send shock troops to Chicago to assist in the campaign. Later in 1938, the year of Kristallnacht, Ford was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest civilian award given by the nazis.
Ford accepted it with pride, and Ford's company collaborated with the nazis as late as August 1942. General Motors, Standard Oil, ITT, and Chase National Bank (later Chase Manhattan Bank) among others also had major financial investments and collaborations with Nazi Germany.
J. Edgar Hoover, the first director of the FBI (and virulently anti-communist) was a great admirer of the nazis and was a pen pal of Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer of the Nazi SS, head of the Gestapo, and second most powerful leader of the Nazi party). Hoover sent Himmler a personal invitation to attend the 1937 World Police Conference in Montreal, and in 1938 welcomed one of Himmler's top aids to the U.S.
In June 1939, when the Nazi SS was conducting savage attacks against Jews, Gypsies, and homosexuals throughout Germany, Hoover personally autographed a photo of himself and sent it in response to a request, to KRIPO, the Nazi criminal police agency. He continued communication with Nazi police until December 4, 1941 (three days before Pearl Harbor).*
Nazism is a right wing ideology. It is violently racist, anti-socialist, and it targets the political left for extermination.
This is underscored by Albert Einstein's embrace of socialism throughout his life -- and in particular in his 1949 essay, Why Socialism? -- along with the fact that Einstein's name was included on a nazi death list with a bounty of $50,000 offered for his assassination.
If nazism really is socialism, why would Einstein have identified himself as a socialist a scant four years after WWII?
The current right wing conflation of nazism and the left is sleazy. A more informed population would view this as completely idiotic, but unfortunately this propaganda is becoming increasingly effective.
http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/NazismSocialism.html
He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine
Cypress (02-14-2019)
He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine
He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine
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