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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Now they are saying LA-SF is still on but we don’t have a revenue stream to pay for it so who knows if/when it will happen.

    https://sf.curbed.com/2019/2/13/1822...led-california
    I would like a lefty from CA to answer this question. How can the "6th largest economy in the world" not have a revenue stream to pay for this? Hmmmmmmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasquezrocks View Post
    Ya ... Spend 4.5 hours on the bullet train ... or fly for I.5 hours for $65 !!

    California is just SO STUPID !!!!

    Thank you ... Douche bag liberals !
    Ahnold began the fiasco, promising a system for 1/10th the actual cost. There will be a hs rail. Just not as grand as Ahnold's vision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    It is a good example of the corporate cronyism that is endemic to "real world" socialism.

    On the other hand, the project itself, is not socialism.

    Despite what Pocahontas and Hussein Obama. say, it is just infrastructure, ... a public works project.
    It's also a perfect illustration of a failure of the private sector. They won't touch anything that doesn't reap huge, instant ROI.

    So it's left up to the taxpayer to fund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    It's also a perfect illustration of a failure of the private sector. They won't touch anything that doesn't reap huge, instant ROI.

    So it's left up to the taxpayer to fund.
    This is hilarious. It’s almost Onion worthy but unfortunately people really have this mindset. It’s a failure the private sector doesn’t take on projects that there isn’t a demand for and isn’t economically feasible? Althea must work for the government

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    It's also a perfect illustration of a failure of the private sector. They won't touch anything that doesn't reap huge, instant ROI.

    So it's left up to the taxpayer to fund.
    Lol! I don't think you have a firm grasp on the concept of investing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    It's also a perfect illustration of a failure of the private sector. They won't touch anything that doesn't reap huge, instant ROI.

    So it's left up to the taxpayer to fund.
    Californy is full of silicon valley billionaires ... and Hollywood multi-millionaires. Are you calling them all a bunch of Meanies.
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    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    dang......doesn't look good for Green Deal trainlines to Hawaii........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Ahnold began the fiasco, promising a system for 1/10th the actual cost. There will be a hs rail. Just not as grand as Ahnold's vision.
    can you say Short Line?

    "Short Line", one of the four railroads in the popular board game Monopoly, probably named after the Shore Fast Line, an interurban streetcar line.
    Last edited by dukkha; 02-13-2019 at 09:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    I would like a lefty from CA to answer this question. How can the "6th largest economy in the world" not have a revenue stream to pay for this? Hmmmmmmmmm
    Illegal aliens and welfare . But , Im a righty .

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    SACRAMENTO (CBS SF) — Governor Gavin Newsom dropped a bombshell early in his State of the State address Tuesday, announcing that California would abandon the state’s plan for a high-speed rail connection between San Francisco and Los Angeles.

    During the address, he said that while he respects the vision of his predecessors Gov. Jerry Brown and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, “…there simply isn’t a path to get from Sacramento to San Diego, let alone from San Francisco to L.A. I wish there were.”

    “Let’s be real,” Newsom continued. “The current project, as planned, would cost too much and respectfully take too long. There’s been too little oversight and not enough transparency.”

    Newsom did say that the state would continue work to finish the high-speed rail link between Merced and Bakersfield, dismissing critics who would call it a “train to nowhere” and citing the need to reduce air pollution in the Central Valley and tap into the region’s economic potential.

    The governor said the state would continue the “regional projects north and south” with the goal of completing the Phase 1 environmental work in addition to establishing new transparency measures that would “hold contractors and consultants accountable to explain how taxpayer dollars are spent.”

    The Governor’s office later clarified that Newsom was still fully committed to building a high-speed rail connection between San Francisco and Los Angeles, despite there not currently being a path to do so.

    In 2008, voters gave the state permission to issue $10 billion dollars in bonds to finance the project, which was supposed to stretch from San Francisco to Los Angeles. Three days after Election Day, the High Speed Rail Authority released its 2008 Business Plan estimating the project would cost $33 billion with a completion date of 2020.

    For ten years, the project has been beset by ballooning costs, dozens of lawsuits, budget overruns, and scathing audit reports.

    In 2011 the HSR Authority estimated the project would cost $98 billion. After a public outcry, in 2012 the Authority scaled back plans. Instead of a dedicated high-speed rail line, the trains would be integrated into regional rail lines for $68 billion. In 2018, the cost estimate for that “blended” plan jumped to $77 billion dollars.

    All along, the HSR Authority has anticipated private investors would help defray the costs but none have stepped forward.

    Newsom also said that he would be making his Economic Development Director Lenny Mendonca as the next chair of the High Speed Rail Authority, stating that “at the end of the day, transportation and economic development must go hand in hand.”

    That segment will be completed, but there is simply not enough money for the remainder of the project. As of December 2018, the Hoover Institute estimated the HSR Authority had $12.7 billion on hand.

    “Let’s just get something done,” Newsom told the audience. “We’ll connect the revitalized Central Valley to other parts of the state, and continue to push for more federal funding and private dollars.”

    The state got $3.5 billion in federal funding to complete the Merced to Bakersfield line. If it is not complete by 2022, that money must be refunded.
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    “I am not interested in sending $3.5 billion in federal funding that was allocated to this project back to Donald Trump,” Newsom said.
    Typical lib socialist. Take the money. Keep the money. Cali is in a financial mess and have no room to preach economics.
    Newsome: "(we'll) continue to push for more federal funding". What gall! I'm sure Cali's want to throw good money after bad.
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    Also addressing the worst pollution problems in the country. A high speed train will not solve that problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Lol! I don't think you have a firm grasp on the concept of investing.
    Of course I do. And every time a Libertarian says 'the private sector can do it better', I bring up cases like this, the Erie Canal, etc.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Californy is full of silicon valley billionaires ... and Hollywood multi-millionaires. Are you calling them all a bunch of Meanies.
    I don't know what that has to do with this discussion. Read the article and rejoin the discussion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Of course I do. And every time a Libertarian says 'the private sector can do it better', I bring up cases like this, the Erie Canal, etc.
    ????.....isn't this an example of the government NOT doing it better?.....

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