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Thread: I Dream Of A US System Where Nobody Gets Paid To Prevent You From Getting Health Care

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Medicare for All is not enough.

    We really need a National Health Service.

    Where doctors live very good lives and are well rewarded for their hard work.

    And everybody gets all the treatment they need without ever getting a bill for it.

    Nobody dies because they can't afford health care.

    Nobody goes broke or has to give up everything because of a medical event in their life.

    We can do this. We are a very rich country.

    Cubans live longer than we do, for crying out loud.

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    Why should anybody get paid to deny health care to people who thought it was supposed to be covered?

    Why should that even be a job?

    Who makes up these rules?

    Oh yeah. The super-rich insurance and big pharma profiteers who are rich because they control our health care system and much of our government. The 'job creators.'

    Come on, people.

    We can do better.
    Yup...this is where the problem meets the road.

    The profit motive has doctors in the repeated, "see me in 3 months" mode...where "see me if any problems develop" should be the case.

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    Hello bhaktajan,

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    FORCED LABOR for All is not enough.

    We really need a National FORCED TO WORK Service.

    Where SKILLED LABOR live very good lives and are well rewarded for their hard work.

    And everybody gets all the treatment they need without ever getting a bill for it.

    Nobody dies because they can't afford SKILLED LABOR.

    Nobody goes broke or has to give up everything because of a medical event in their life.

    We can FORCED TO this. We are a very rich country of SKILLED LABOR.

    Country Bumpkins live longer than we do, for crying out loud.

    Why should SKILLED LABOR get paid to deny FORCED LABOR to people who thought it was supposed to be covered?

    Why should that even be a job?

    Who makes up these SKILLED LABORERS?

    Oh yeah. The super-rich SKILLED LABOR and big SKILLED LABOR profiteers who are rich because they control our FORCED LABOR and much of our SKILLED LABOR. The 'job creators.'

    Come on, SKILLED LABOR.

    We can do YOUR JOB better.

    Musical chairs and ponzie schemes go round and round…
    Most of what you've edited now makes no sense. Most American workers work hard without the profit motive. Most American workers don't get paid any more for working hard than they do for just showing up. The motivation they have to work hard is if they don't, they get fired. They work hard, not for the incentive of higher pay, but out of fear of losing their job, their income, and their health care. Most Americans would never consider going on a general strike because they don't want to lose their job, their income, their home, or their health care.

    In France the government fears the people. If the workers go on strike, it shuts everything down.

    In America the people fear the government. Conservatives tend to be very fearful of the government.

    Let me just say something.

    The government works for We, The People.

    The biggest problem with our government is the POWER of BIG MONEY buying government off.

    Government is not the problem.

    Big money corruption, THE DC SWAMP, is the problem.

    President Trump promised to fix that. Instead, he has made it worse.

    President Trump IS the swamp.

    President Trump doesn't serve the American public, as he is supposed to.

    President Trump serves THE SUPER-RICH.

    President Trump promised us a 'great' health care system that everybody was going to 'love.'

    All he did was wreck the PPACA and make it worse.

    President Trump LIED, broke his promise, and let us down.

    We need to get rid of Trump, and elect a president and more legislators who are truly there to serve the American public.

    Then maybe we can get the health care system we need.

    One that covers everybody, keeps costs low, and does not link health care to employment.

    Health care should be a RIGHT, regardless of ability to work or pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Review all the criteria and none qualify.
    All do. They cover you from birth. They cover you your whole life. You don't go bankrupt if you get sick. They have longer lives and are healthier because they can access the system without worries. The health care ,in every single industrial nation, is rated higher than ours.

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    HEllo Nordberg,

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    All do. They cover you from birth. They cover you your whole life. You don't go bankrupt if you get sick. They have longer lives and are healthier because they can access the system without worries. The health care ,in every single industrial nation, is rated higher than ours.
    Simply the stress of not knowing that everything is covered is a health risk.

    Most countries with universal health care don't have people who are paid to, and get bonuses for, denying care.

    Every day somebody like that works, it hurts our country.

    It is a negative job.

    And it lowers our GDP.
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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    It doesnt bother you that nowhere does such a magical system exist ?
    What does that mean? Seems pretty apparent that many very effective systems exist in other industrialized nations. Everybody is covered, they pay less, they live longer. Hello. What the heck is the problem with any of those things?
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