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    An editorial of the WSJ. Not surprisingly Sanders has been a long time fan of Venezuela, once saying the American dream was easier to reach their than our own country. We're still learning about AOC but this doesn't surprise either.





    Socialists of the World, Unite

    Sanders and AOC show their support for Venezuela’s dictator.


    Socialism is again going mainstream in the U.S., or at least in the Democratic Party, and apparently the 21st-century version includes the international socialist solidarity that marked the 20th. As Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro hunts for allies amid a revolt of his desperate people, he is finding rare support among America’s Democratic socialists.

    Bernie Sanders, the once and future U.S. presidential candidate, issued this balm for the comrades in Caracas late last week:

    “The United States should support the rule of law, fair elections and self-determination for the Venezuelan people. We must condemn the use of violence against unarmed protesters and the suppression of dissent. However, we must learn the lessons of the past and not be in the business of regime change or supporting coups—as we have in Chile, Guatemala, Brazil, and the Dominican Republic. The United States has a long history of inappropriately intervening in Latin American countries; we must not go down that road again.”

    Mr. Maduro stole the last election and his National Guard are killing protesters, but Mr. Sanders is most worried about U.S. support for “regime change.” Regime change is exactly what the people of Venezuela want. Bernie is siding with the dictator, who survives in power only because of the military and Cuban intelligence.

    Then there’s the newest socialist star, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC for short), who retweeted this response from left-wing California Democrat Ro Khanna to Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin’s support for the Venezuelan uprising: “With respect Senator Durbin, the US should not anoint the leader of the opposition in Venezuela during an internal, polarized conflict. Let us support Uruguay, Mexico, & the Vatican’s efforts for a negotiated settlement & end sanctions that are making the hyperinflation worse.”

    Sorry, Mr. Khanna and AOC, the U.S. didn’t “anoint” anyone. The elected Venezuelan National Assembly named Juan Guaidó its interim president, as it is allowed to do under the Venezuelan constitution. The U.S. merely recognized him as the legitimate president of the country.

    As for a negotiated settlement, where has Mr. Khanna been? Apparently not anywhere near Venezuela, unlike Mr. Durbin, who says that last year he “found a country on the verge of political, economic and humanitarian collapse. I told then-President Maduro that if he went ahead with a sham election under absurdly rigged conditions he would find his regime even further isolated and in question.”

    Impoverished and malnourished, Venezuelans are now resorting to the streets because they know the regime will not cede power on its own. Most of the free world has rallied to their side. The nations supporting Mr. Maduro include such notable democracies as Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, Turkey, Nicaragua and Hezbollah.

    Incredibly enough, this is the socialist solidarity that America’s premier Democratic socialists are joining. Remember that when they say America needs socialism too.


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/sociali...d=hp_opin_pos3

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    However, we must learn the lessons of the past and not be in the business of regime change or supporting coups—as we have in Chile, Guatemala, Brazil, and the Dominican Republic. The United States has a long history of inappropriately intervening in Latin American countries; we must not go down that road again.”
    Sanders is correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    Sanders is correct
    I'd agree if China, Russia and Cuba weren't already meddling in the Americas' neighborhood. South America is our closest geographical neighbor. If they were half way around the world, I might think differently.
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    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    The WSJ lowered itself with that one.

    They flat out made things up. Sanders and AOC are NOT aligned with those countries.

    Talk about moronic drivel.

    The USA already has lots of socialism.

    Boo!
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    Everybody on Social Security is benefiting from socialism in the USA.

    It ain't like that is a capitalist system.

    Capitalism didn't build THAT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Everybody on Social Security is benefiting from socialism in the USA.

    It ain't like that is a capitalist system.

    Capitalism didn't build THAT.
    If you pay into it—it’s not socialism.
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    Hello Darth,

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Beto Omar View Post
    If you pay into it—it’s not socialism.
    Well then you have nothing to worry about. You're going to have to pay into the new government health care system too.

    I don't care what you uncall it. We are getting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Everybody on Social Security is benefiting from socialism in the USA.

    It ain't like that is a capitalist system.

    Capitalism didn't build THAT.
    Social Security retirement is racist and bigoted. White women benefit far more than Black men, as they out live them by about 10 years. And then there's the deceitful hidden taxation you pay, but never see as your Employer pays 50% of your SS taxes on your behalf. Money that could be paid directly to you that you never even see.
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    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Darth,



    Well then you have nothing to worry about. You're going to have to pay into the new government health care system too.

    I don't care what you uncall it. We are getting it.
    I’m anxious to hear how our new socialist presidential contenders plan on paying for all their socialism lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    An editorial of the WSJ. Not surprisingly Sanders has been a long time fan of Venezuela, once saying the American dream was easier to reach their than our own country. We're still learning about AOC but this doesn't surprise either.





    Socialists of the World, Unite

    Sanders and AOC show their support for Venezuela’s dictator.


    Socialism is again going mainstream in the U.S., or at least in the Democratic Party, and apparently the 21st-century version includes the international socialist solidarity that marked the 20th. As Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro hunts for allies amid a revolt of his desperate people, he is finding rare support among America’s Democratic socialists.

    Bernie Sanders, the once and future U.S. presidential candidate, issued this balm for the comrades in Caracas late last week:

    “The United States should support the rule of law, fair elections and self-determination for the Venezuelan people. We must condemn the use of violence against unarmed protesters and the suppression of dissent. However, we must learn the lessons of the past and not be in the business of regime change or supporting coups—as we have in Chile, Guatemala, Brazil, and the Dominican Republic. The United States has a long history of inappropriately intervening in Latin American countries; we must not go down that road again.”

    Mr. Maduro stole the last election and his National Guard are killing protesters, but Mr. Sanders is most worried about U.S. support for “regime change.” Regime change is exactly what the people of Venezuela want. Bernie is siding with the dictator, who survives in power only because of the military and Cuban intelligence.

    Then there’s the newest socialist star, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC for short), who retweeted this response from left-wing California Democrat Ro Khanna to Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin’s support for the Venezuelan uprising: “With respect Senator Durbin, the US should not anoint the leader of the opposition in Venezuela during an internal, polarized conflict. Let us support Uruguay, Mexico, & the Vatican’s efforts for a negotiated settlement & end sanctions that are making the hyperinflation worse.”

    Sorry, Mr. Khanna and AOC, the U.S. didn’t “anoint” anyone. The elected Venezuelan National Assembly named Juan Guaidó its interim president, as it is allowed to do under the Venezuelan constitution. The U.S. merely recognized him as the legitimate president of the country.

    As for a negotiated settlement, where has Mr. Khanna been? Apparently not anywhere near Venezuela, unlike Mr. Durbin, who says that last year he “found a country on the verge of political, economic and humanitarian collapse. I told then-President Maduro that if he went ahead with a sham election under absurdly rigged conditions he would find his regime even further isolated and in question.”

    Impoverished and malnourished, Venezuelans are now resorting to the streets because they know the regime will not cede power on its own. Most of the free world has rallied to their side. The nations supporting Mr. Maduro include such notable democracies as Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, Turkey, Nicaragua and Hezbollah.

    Incredibly enough, this is the socialist solidarity that America’s premier Democratic socialists are joining. Remember that when they say America needs socialism too.


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/sociali...d=hp_opin_pos3
    That is a bit of a framed narrative even for an opinion piece

    What Sander's is advising hints at the US staying out of other nations internal affairs, not "Socialists of the World, Unite"

    Always interesting how conservatives are quick to import Venezuela into any mention of the word "socialism." Is Venezuela largely socialist, yes, but so are a number of other nations in the world many of which have a higher standard of living than the United States

    Bottom line is no nation has a pure capitalist or socialist economy, they all are mixed economies, the US having socialist features dating back to the 19th Century. Socialist measures being discussed as solutions to current issues doesn't mean the US is going socialistic nor on the path to Venezuela

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Everybody on Social Security is benefiting from socialism in the USA.

    It ain't like that is a capitalist system.

    Capitalism didn't build THAT.
    Complete nonsense. Social security and welfare did not come from socialism or any socialist country. Socialism didn't build that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Beto Omar View Post
    I’m anxious to hear how our new socialist presidential contenders plan on paying for all their socialism lol.
    Always interesting now with Trump when a conservative brings up the topic of costs, I'd bet you weren't too worried about costs when Trump initiated his stimulus for the rich

    How does Canada do it, the Scandinavian nations, or other Eurpoean countries?

    Not recommending it but it does seem something worth examining and not just dismissing with, "how going to pay for it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    That is a bit of a framed narrative even for an opinion piece

    Always interesting how conservatives are quick to import Venezuela into any mention of the word "socialism." Is Venezuela largely socialist, yes, but so are a number of other nations in the world many of which have a higher standard of living than the United States


    That's untrue. Countries with references to socialism in their constitutions and with an explicit commitment to socialism do not have a higher living standard than the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    Complete nonsense. Social security and welfare did not come from socialism or any socialist country. Socialism didn't build that.
    Wrong, SS, Medicare, even VA programs are based upon socialist principles

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    That is a bit of a framed narrative even for an opinion piece

    What Sander's is advising hints at the US staying out of other nations internal affairs, not "Socialists of the World, Unite"

    Always interesting how conservatives are quick to import Venezuela into any mention of the word "socialism." Is Venezuela largely socialist, yes, but so are a number of other nations in the world many of which have a higher standard of living than the United States

    Bottom line is no nation has a pure capitalist or socialist economy, they all are mixed economies, the US having socialist features dating back to the 19th Century. Socialist measures being discussed as solutions to current issues doesn't mean the US is going socialistic nor on the path to Venezuela
    If a 70% tax on the wealthy and free college isn’t socialism, what do you call it?
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