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    Default Doctors, Bakers, & Florists

    Remember these two?

    Court rules photographers must violate religious faith
    Published: 08/22/2013 at 4:10 PM
    BOB UNRUH

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/judges-or...work-for-gays/

    XXXXX



    Nolte: Colorado’s Religious Persecution of Masterpiece Cakeshop Continues
    by John Nolte
    20 Dec 2018

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...hop-continues/

    Doctors are changing the rules:


    No plaintiff ‘s lawyer ever fought his client’s case on the grounds of involuntary servitude:

    VIII Amendment

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    XIII Amendment

    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
    Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    Maybe attorney’s for wealthy doctors will do some pro bono work for bakers and florists:

    A medical association is protesting a state bill that would force health care professionals and facilities to treat patients who are funded by Medicaid or have no insurance.

    That amount to “involuntary servitude for medical professionals,” charges the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

    The New Hampshire bill, sponsored by Rep. P. Schmidt, levy a $10,000 annual fee for noncompliance.

    The AAPS said the bill, HB 693-FN, requires the commissioner “to conduct an annual audit of health care practitioners and facilities, including outpatient facilities.”

    The ratio of Medicaid and uninsured procedures to other compensated procedures is then calculated to determine any fees.

    “A practitioner can pay a fee of $10,000, or a facility can pay $10,000 per full-time professional staff equivalent to opt out of the requirement,” the doctors’ group said.

    “It’s reminiscent of the provision in some parts of the antebellum South that allowed slaves to buy their freedom,” stated AAPS executive director Jane Orient, M.D.

    “The $10,000 annual fee is likely to be less than the revenue lost by accepting Medicaid payment rates,” stated AAPS president Marilyn Singleton, M.D., J.D. “What if everybody opts out? The state would have money but no facilities to treat patients.”

    The bill, significantly, fails to define “health care practitioner,” Orient noted.

    “New Hampshire seems to be anticipating the problem that arises when politicians promise free health care for all,” Orient suggested. “Who will do the work?”

    The bill says its objective is to require health care practitioners to provide services for Medicaid and uninsured.

    It sets up a fund to collect that annual $10,000 penalties from doctors, and the money is to be distributed as aid to qualified individuals based on the assessments of the commissioner of the state Department of Health.

    It exempts doctors who are retired, but states otherwise, “All health care practitioners and facilities shall provide services for patients funded by Medicaid and uninsured persons.”

    The bill promises an increase in state revenue because of the penalties, but it admits it has no idea what the amount will be.

    Doctors protest state plan for 'involuntary servitude'
    Posted By -NO AUTHOR- On 02/09/2019 @ 8:06 pm

    https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/doctors-...ary-servitude/

    Note that doctors never defended the Second Amendment:

    Question: Doctors scream bloody murder when anybody interferes in the doctor-patient relationship; so
    how come doctors do not mind the ACLU getting in-between doctor and patient?

    Happily, doctors cannot hide the harm they are doing with their assault on the Second Amendment.

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...41#post2782041

    Let us all pray that doctors are not defending the VIII & XIII Amendments involuntarily.
    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    Remember these two?

    Court rules photographers must violate religious faith
    Published: 08/22/2013 at 4:10 PM
    BOB UNRUH

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/judges-or...work-for-gays/

    XXXXX



    Nolte: Colorado’s Religious Persecution of Masterpiece Cakeshop Continues
    by John Nolte
    20 Dec 2018

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...hop-continues/

    Doctors are changing the rules:


    No plaintiff ‘s lawyer ever fought his client’s case on the grounds of involuntary servitude:

    VIII Amendment

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    XIII Amendment

    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
    Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    Maybe attorney’s for wealthy doctors will do some pro bono work for bakers and florists:

    A medical association is protesting a state bill that would force health care professionals and facilities to treat patients who are funded by Medicaid or have no insurance.

    That amount to “involuntary servitude for medical professionals,” charges the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

    The New Hampshire bill, sponsored by Rep. P. Schmidt, levy a $10,000 annual fee for noncompliance.

    The AAPS said the bill, HB 693-FN, requires the commissioner “to conduct an annual audit of health care practitioners and facilities, including outpatient facilities.”

    The ratio of Medicaid and uninsured procedures to other compensated procedures is then calculated to determine any fees.

    “A practitioner can pay a fee of $10,000, or a facility can pay $10,000 per full-time professional staff equivalent to opt out of the requirement,” the doctors’ group said.

    “It’s reminiscent of the provision in some parts of the antebellum South that allowed slaves to buy their freedom,” stated AAPS executive director Jane Orient, M.D.

    “The $10,000 annual fee is likely to be less than the revenue lost by accepting Medicaid payment rates,” stated AAPS president Marilyn Singleton, M.D., J.D. “What if everybody opts out? The state would have money but no facilities to treat patients.”

    The bill, significantly, fails to define “health care practitioner,” Orient noted.

    “New Hampshire seems to be anticipating the problem that arises when politicians promise free health care for all,” Orient suggested. “Who will do the work?”

    The bill says its objective is to require health care practitioners to provide services for Medicaid and uninsured.

    It sets up a fund to collect that annual $10,000 penalties from doctors, and the money is to be distributed as aid to qualified individuals based on the assessments of the commissioner of the state Department of Health.

    It exempts doctors who are retired, but states otherwise, “All health care practitioners and facilities shall provide services for patients funded by Medicaid and uninsured persons.”

    The bill promises an increase in state revenue because of the penalties, but it admits it has no idea what the amount will be.

    Doctors protest state plan for 'involuntary servitude'
    Posted By -NO AUTHOR- On 02/09/2019 @ 8:06 pm

    https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/doctors-...ary-servitude/

    Note that doctors never defended the Second Amendment:

    Question: Doctors scream bloody murder when anybody interferes in the doctor-patient relationship; so
    how come doctors do not mind the ACLU getting in-between doctor and patient?

    Happily, doctors cannot hide the harm they are doing with their assault on the Second Amendment.

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...41#post2782041

    Let us all pray that doctors are not defending the VIII & XIII Amendments involuntarily.
    You are obviously ignorant of civil righrs legislation as well as laws regarding public accomodation.

    You do business in the secular world, dumbfuck, you play by secular rules. Don’t like it? Then set yourself up as a 501c3

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    You are obviously ignorant of civil righrs legislation as well as laws regarding public accomodation.

    You do business in the secular world, dumbfuck, you play by secular rules. Don’t like it? Then set yourself up as a 501c3
    There are easier ways to discriminate if you want to

    I haven’t had any problems keeping people out that I want out

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    You are obviously ignorant of civil righrs legislation as well as laws regarding public accomodation.
    To domer76: You are obviously too goddamned stupid to know the difference between privileges for a favored group called Rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    You do business in the secular world, dumbfuck, you play by secular rules. Don’t like it? Then set yourself up as a 501c3
    To domer76: Nothing overrides the Constitution, asshole. Amend it if you do not like it. The process to amend was ratified 231 years ago, yet parasite sneaks like you pretend they never heard about it; so here it is before you shoot your mouth off with another idiotic reply:


    Article V
    Amendment Process

    Signed in convention September 17, 1787. Ratified June 21, 1788


    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    Words are difficult for DEMOCRAT Domer.

    He's a loser.


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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    There are easier ways to discriminate if you want to

    I haven’t had any problems keeping people out that I want out
    Good for you, bigot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    To domer76: You are obviously too goddamned stupid to know the difference between privileges for a favored group called Rights.



    To domer76: Nothing overrides the Constitution, asshole. Amend it if you do not like it. The process to amend was ratified 231 years ago, yet parasite sneaks like you pretend they never heard about it; so here it is before you shoot your mouth off with another idiotic reply:


    Article V
    Amendment Process

    Signed in convention September 17, 1787. Ratified June 21, 1788


    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
    Refusing service to a protected group, you fucking idiot, has nothing to do with privilege. The laws are clear. I can’t help it if you’re too fucking.stupid to know.

    You are great at cut-and-paste aren’t you, moron? That’s a great tactic for a fucking idiot too fucking stupid to put things in his own words. You’re the king at it.

    The Constitution needs no amendment. The Bill of Rights and civil rights legislation is clear. You can’t discriminate based on any number of factors.

    Race
    Country of origin
    Religion
    Gender
    Age

    Sexual orientation, other than marriage, is not protected federally. But there are states and localities have barred discrimination based on sexual orientation. That sure sucks for you, doesn’t it, bigot?

    Secular business, bitch? Secular rules. You open your business to the public, you serve the ENTIRE public. Discriminate against a protected group? Great. Be prepared to face the consequences instead of being one of you pussified RW “Christians”.

    Your cut-and-paste bullshit is laughable. Especially from such propaganda sites like Breitbart and WND. Is thatcreally the best you have? Sites for RW simpletons? Try reading and comprehending what the fuck you post for once, instead of blindly posting it.

    Fucking moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Words are difficult for DEMOCRAT Domer.

    He's a loser.




    Another massively ignorant dumbfuck on this issue. Your mommies must have skipped civil rights during homeschool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    The Constitution needs no amendment. The Bill of Rights and civil rights legislation is clear. You can’t discriminate based on any number of factors.
    To domer76: So-called Civil Rights legislation had nothing to do with Rights —— they were designed to override the Constitution, and they were sold by a street-hustling preacher.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    To domer76: Nothing overrides the Constitution, asshole. Amend it if you do not like it.
    Try to grasp this concept.
    Rights are not Rights until they are enjoyed by everyone.


    Put it another way. Every race has the Right to refuse to serve customers for whatever reason(s) they choose. A black or homosexual business owner has the same Rights as straight, white business owners. Blacks and homosexuals also lose their Rights when they are forced to serve unwanted customers.

    I know that your comprehension skills are being drowned by your shit-for-brains; nevertheless, I am including this as last ditch attempt to throw you a life preserver: Irrespective of the group in question they lose their Rights when they are forced to serve a protected group.
    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    Poor fake Christians, have some warm milk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    To domer76: So-called Civil Rights legislation had nothing to do with Rights —— they were designed to override the Constitution, and they were sold by a street-hustling preacher.



    Try to grasp this concept.
    Rights are not Rights until they are enjoyed by everyone.


    Put it another way. Every race has the Right to refuse to serve customers for whatever reason(s) they choose. A black or homosexual business owner has the same Rights as straight, white business owners. Blacks and homosexuals also lose their Rights when they are forced to serve unwanted customers.

    I know that your comprehension skills are being drowned by your shit-for-brains; nevertheless, I am including this as last ditch attempt to throw you a life preserver: Irrespective of the group in question they lose their Rights when they are forced to serve a protected group.


    I can try to fix your ignorance by providing you with facts. But I can't fix the incredible level of stupidity you exhibit with these posts. On a massive level.

    You were homeschooled, weren't you dumbfuck? Let me guess, a RW fundamentalist to boot.

    Go pitch your cretinuous bullshit to the Supreme Court, bitch. They'll give your neck-deep ignorance all the attention it deserves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEMOCRAT domer76 View Post
    Another massively ignorant dumbfuck on this issue. Your mommies must have skipped civil rights during homeschool.
    Is that so, DEMOCRAT?

    Tell the forum what "civil rights" are violated by a private individual refusing to perform a service that is an affront to their genuinely-held religious beliefs.

    I'll understand if you can't, of course.

    Loser.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DEMOCRAT domer76 View Post
    I can try to fix your ignorance by providing you with facts.
    When do you plan to begin the attempt, DEMOCRAT?

    I'll understand if you think you already have, naturally.

    Loser.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Triggered Lizard View Post
    Poor fake Christians, have some warm milk.
    You prefer warm "cream," don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    I know that your comprehension skills are being drowned by your shit-for-brains; nevertheless, I am including this as last ditch attempt to throw you a life preserver: Irrespective of the group in question they lose their Rights when they are forced to serve a protected group.
    I don't recall DEMOCRAT Domer demanding that Muslims be forced bake a gay-themed wedding cake.

    Do you?

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