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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    The polling for his speech was 80% favorable and the Rasmussen poll following the speech shows that 50% favor President Trump and 49% do not.

    It was a great speech and Americans saw that Democrats would not even stand to support his "America will never be a Socialist nation."
    LMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    In '16 I'd see all the negative press and his stupid immature tweets thinking he had no chance, but every time I actually saw him speak he looked sounded very impressive.
    Willie is spot on.
    I know you weren't a trump fan, but I'm not sure where you saw him speak where he was 'impressive'? It was a Jerry Springer act.

    He won't win in '20. Those who believed his nonsense about being a champion for the middle class, are now suffering at the hands of his policies.

    Fool me once, as it were.

    He won't win labor again, and women are more than motivated to send his ass home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    I know you weren't a trump fan, but I'm not sure where you saw him speak where he was 'impressive'? It was a Jerry Springer act.

    He won't win in '20. Those who believed his nonsense about being a champion for the middle class, are now suffering at the hands of his policies.

    Fool me once, as it were.

    He won't win labor again, and women are more than motivated to send his ass home.
    LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    I know you weren't a trump fan, but I'm not sure where you saw him speak where he was 'impressive'? It was a Jerry Springer act.

    He won't win in '20. Those who believed his nonsense about being a champion for the middle class, are now suffering at the hands of his policies.

    Fool me once, as it were.

    He won't win labor again, and women are more than motivated to send his ass home.
    LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Beto Omar View Post
    “If he carefully picks his fights, Trump can turn the light back on Democrats and force us to defend our progressive wing’s “socialist” positions like health care for all, housing for all and guaranteed income.

    Our candidates will have to pull further and further to the left to satisfy the party’s activist constituency, much like Republicans did in response to the rise of the Tea Party, and probably with the same results“
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    This.

    The writer nails it. Except that Trump WILL turn the light back on the democrat’s flirtation with Venezuela style socialism. Take that check to the bank and cash it. And so far democrats are making it easy for him.

    This is what would piss me off if I were a democrat lol: Trump is vulnerable and his polls numbers show it. But, that only holds if democrats put up a good moderate candidate. Problem is, I don’t think a moderate democrat would survive the primaries.

    Also, I’ve seen the Tea Party/AOC wing analogy a few times. The two are only analogous in the sense the wings steered the party in their desired directions. But the Tea Party wasn’t loony. These characters like AOC would actually be a danger to the country if they ever got into power.
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    Oops, that was meant as a response to the OP.
    The antics won't work again. There are hours of his lies, and deceptions to be offered as evidence of his inability to do the job.

    And...the Clinton debate where she calls him a 'Putin puppet', and his 'No puppet' response will be playing right next to his policies that expose him as a Russian operative.


    The overwhelming majority of voters did NOT vote for trump. It will be worse for him if he makes it to '20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    The antics won't work again. There are hours of his lies, and deceptions to be offered as evidence of his inability to do the job.

    And...the Clinton debate where she calls him a 'Putin puppet', and his 'No puppet' response will be playing right next to his policies that expose him as a Russian operative.


    The overwhelming majority of voters did NOT vote for trump. It will be worse for him if he makes it to '20
    LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisasanders1964 View Post
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    rut roh.
    an inconvenient truth for the Russiaphobes to digest!,,,,but but but..PUTIN!
    I take the lack of response as an admission that they know Trump isn't beholden to Putin or anybody else. Their constant reference to it puts them in a league with evince.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I post this not from a pro-Trump perspective but because Willie Brown knows politics and his column each week is a must read. It's just an interesting, or different, perspective to hear from a Democrat. (it doesn't mean he's right but Willie is a political sage)
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...t-13603018.php
    Brown is not all wrong, the 2020 election is not a Democrat gimme as a lot of left leaning posters seem to feel. All national elections tighten up in the last week or two

    It is obvious that Trump could possibly even murder someone on 5th Avenue and not lose the lemmings' vote. The majority of Americans that see the blundering and negatives surrounding Trump aren't geographically located in those areas that Trump was ever going win, remember Hillary did win the majority vote, so no matter how real the criticism it is preaching to the choir

    Point being the election is going to come down to those three or four rust belt States that he just squeezed out in 2016, and a lot of those States have rural populations and/or GOP controlled State Gov't, meaning he doesn't have to sell his shtick nationwide but only in those target areas

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I take the lack of response as an admission that they know Trump isn't beholden to Putin or anybody else. Their constant reference to it puts them in a league with evince.
    That's pretty funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post

    Point being the election is going to come down to those three or four rust belt States that he just squeezed out in 2016, and a lot of those States have rural populations and/or GOP controlled State Gov't, meaning he doesn't have to sell his shtick nationwide but only in those target areas
    They aren't going to fall for his nonsense again. He screwed them, and they won't forget. How did those 'GOP controlled Govt.'s' 'fare in the mid terms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    They aren't going to fall for his nonsense again. He screwed them, and they won't forget. How did those 'GOP controlled Govt.'s' 'fare in the mid terms?
    No, but the midterms are demographic by design, a State wide election, nor especially the Electoral College, isn't, geographically based, meaning Trump can take his road show to targeted locations to maximize his effect

    Not saying he will win, but the race isn't a slam dunk like a lot of posters here think it is, and those Rust States are full of lot blue collar whites that a lot of Democrats have had a hard time appealing to since the fading of Unions

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    No, but the midterms are demographic by design, a State wide election, nor especially the Electoral College, isn't, geographically based, meaning Trump can take his road show to targeted locations to maximize his effect

    Not saying he will win, but the race isn't a slam dunk like a lot of posters here think it is, and those Rust States are full of lot blue collar whites that a lot of Democrats have had a hard time appealing to since the fading of Unions
    Althea has me on ignore so I don't think he actually read what Willie Brown wrote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    No, but the midterms are demographic by design, a State wide election, nor especially the Electoral College, isn't, geographically based, meaning Trump can take his road show to targeted locations to maximize his effect

    Not saying he will win, but the race isn't a slam dunk like a lot of posters here think it is, and those Rust States are full of lot blue collar whites that a lot of Democrats have had a hard time appealing to since the fading of Unions
    And trumpco is continuing to kill unions. They were fooled once, but won't be again.

    And don't forget...women are amassing a huge anti trump demographic, coupled with millions of hard working Americans who just got tax refunds that are nowhere near as much money as trump promised...if they even got a refund.

    There are quite a few Republican Senate seats up in '20. It's not going to be a good year for the party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    No, but the midterms are demographic by design, a State wide election, nor especially the Electoral College, isn't, geographically based, meaning Trump can take his road show to targeted locations to maximize his effect

    Not saying he will win, but the race isn't a slam dunk like a lot of posters here think it is, and those Rust States are full of lot blue collar whites that a lot of Democrats have had a hard time appealing to since the fading of Unions
    I thought Trump had no chance in '16. I was obviously proven wrong and for that reason I stay out of the Trump predicting business. The point you get, and Willie spoke to, which Althea doesn't is the opponent matters. Trump had the worst favorability ratings of any candidate in 2016 yet he still won (he ran against the person with the second worst favorability ratings) So while Trump has horrible approval ratings it doesn't guarantee a 2020 loss like althea seems to think

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    Polling shows 55 percent of the voters will absolutely not vote for him in 2020. That is a serious problem. Trump can rally the people who don't understand the damage he is doing. They will clap and cheer at childish Trumpy noise. The voters are moving past him.

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