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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    I see you are attempting to cherry pick data, make a fatal mistake of comparing upper atmosphere with surface temperatures and then not include the last 3 years.

    You completely ignore the HADCRUT surface temperatures that show the warming is almost dead on with the models.

    By attempting to misuse data, you haven't proved anything wrong. You have only undermined your own argument because it shows you to not understanding basic science.
    Stop talking bollocks, if that's possible.

    CMIP5-short-1024x568.jpg

    Comparison of the latest HadCRUT4.6 temperatures with CMIP5 models for Representative Concentration Pathways (RCPs). The temperature data lies significantly below all RCPs, which themselves only diverge after ~2025.

    Note however that temperatures have been falling for the last two years following the 2016 El Nino peak. If 2019 continues this cooling trend then the pause or hiatus in warming could well return.

    http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=8788
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    Poor maggot. Busted again. The old ipse dipstick ain't panning out for you, eh scab.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Why do you think so many fundies prefer to homeschool?
    My sister recently went back to teaching in a public school after being in retirement. She went back in to retirement after 3 months. I can tell you this... if I lived in Louisiana and couldn't afford to send my kids to a private school , i consider it outright child neglect to send them to a public school.
    And I'm an atheist, not a fundie. (Taoist actually)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    I see you are attempting to cherry pick data, make a fatal mistake of comparing upper atmosphere with surface temperatures and then not include the last 3 years.

    You completely ignore the HADCRUT surface temperatures that show the warming is almost dead on with the models.

    By attempting to misuse data, you haven't proved anything wrong. You have only undermined your own argument because it shows you to not understanding basic science.
    All you have is one model, cherry picked and hidden behind a paywall so the general public can not see it ... that doesn't even cover the last 6 plus years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    I see you are attempting to cherry pick data, make a fatal mistake of comparing upper atmosphere with surface temperatures and then not include the last 3 years.

    You completely ignore the HADCRUT surface temperatures that show the warming is almost dead on with the models.

    By attempting to misuse data, you haven't proved anything wrong. You have only undermined your own argument because it shows you to not understanding basic science.
    Surface temperatures cannot be trusted, even HADCRUT4 is, to all intents and purposes, useless.

    What’s Really Wrong With the Global Surface Temperature Record

    But exactly where is this “global surface” at which HadCRUT4 measures temperatures?

    It isn’t anywhere. It doesn’t exist as a physically-definable entity. HadCRUT4 mixes air temperatures measured a nominal five feet above the ground with SSTs measured anywhere between a foot and fifty feet below the surface of the ocean, meaning that the average HadCRUT4 measurement will have been taken maybe a foot below the surface in a medium consisting of 30% air and 70% sea water. Climate models can’t simulate temperatures in this non-existent environment, so HadCRUT4-compatible model output has to be generated by averaging air temperature and SST model means in the same way as observational means are averaged to generate HadCRUT4.

    And where on the Earth’s surface in the year 2100 will we have experienced the 4.2C of “surface warming” shown by HadCRUT4? Not on the land, nor in the oceans. We won’t have experienced it anywhere.

    Add to this the fact that HadCRUT4 combines two series with different temperature trends and the conclusion is inescapable. HadCRUT4 is not meaningful. We should not be using it. If we want to find out what’s really going on with the Earth’s climate we must consider surface air temperatures and SSTs separately.

    http://euanmearns.com/whats-really-w...rature-record/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Surface temperatures cannot be trusted, even HADCRUT4 is, to all intents and purposes, useless.
    Care to explain why you think this? Did thermometers stop working in your world?

    What’s Really Wrong With the Global Surface Temperature Record
    A couple of problems with this argument. First of all, it makes an average that is meaningless. If you live a sea level and you climb Mt Everest and take a submarine to the Mariana Trench if we average out your 2 trips that average out to sea level so does that mean you went no where? That is how ridiculous the attempt to average the location where temperature is taken is.

    Areas of the Arctic have already experienced warming of 3 - 4C. The statement we won't experience it anywhere is factually false since we are already seeing it happen.

    If we want to find out what’s really going on with the Earth’s climate we must consider surface air temperatures and SSTs separately.
    Both the surface temperatures and the SSTs data sets show warming. The warming still exists in Hadcrut4 which combines the 2 datasets that show warming as one would expect. Your author admits that the warming is occurring in both datasets.

    I'll bet you didn't read your source and understood none of it. You just cherry picked out part of it in the hope no one would really look at the rest of it. When you actually get into the data, you see the adjusted data in some cases shows less warming than the raw data. You don't get to argue that the adjusted data is wrong and we should rely on the raw data unless the raw data shows more warming then we should simply ignore all the data. That is simply burying your head in the sand that is slowly warming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Care to explain why you think this? Did thermometers stop working in your world?

    What’s Really Wrong With the Global Surface Temperature Record
    A couple of problems with this argument. First of all, it makes an average that is meaningless. If you live a sea level and you climb Mt Everest and take a submarine to the Mariana Trench if we average out your 2 trips that average out to sea level so does that mean you went no where? That is how ridiculous the attempt to average the location where temperature is taken is.

    Areas of the Arctic have already experienced warming of 3 - 4C. The statement we won't experience it anywhere is factually false since we are already seeing it happen.

    Both the surface temperatures and the SSTs data sets show warming. The warming still exists in Hadcrut4 which combines the 2 datasets that show warming as one would expect. Your author admits that the warming is occurring in both datasets.

    I'll bet you didn't read your source and understood none of it. You just cherry picked out part of it in the hope no one would really look at the rest of it. When you actually get into the data, you see the adjusted data in some cases shows less warming than the raw data. You don't get to argue that the adjusted data is wrong and we should rely on the raw data unless the raw data shows more warming then we should simply ignore all the data. That is simply burying your head in the sand that is slowly warming.
    I don't have to, Euan Mearns makes the case eloquently enough. If you don't agree then that's your prerogative.

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