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Thread: Is Admitting The News Is Actually Real Part of President Trump's New Bipartisan Era

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    LOL! What if CNN actually admitted that they constantly torture, twist, and slather the semantics on everything Trump says or does until there's no WAY you can tell if it's real news or not? And CNN ain't the only snakes out there. If I want political news, I listen to what the President or his spokespeople say. He's a plain spoken guy and he's easy to understand without going through a bunch of talking heads that hate him.
    Do you have a concrete example of what you are accusing CNN of, or just full of shit as usual.

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    Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    LOL! What if CNN actually admitted that they constantly torture, twist, and slather the semantics on everything Trump says or does until there's no WAY you can tell if it's real news or not?
    I have no problem discerning that everything CNN reports is real. And I trust that if they mistakenly aired something that turned out to be incorrect that they would do a retraction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    And CNN ain't the only snakes out there. If I want political news, I listen to what the President or his spokespeople say. He's a plain spoken guy and he's easy to understand without going through a bunch of talking heads that hate him.
    President Trump lies so much it is safe to simply assume everything he says is a lie until verified. That's why nobody is taking him seriously after his glowing SOTU speech. He really sounded good. Sounds like he is acting more like a seasoned slick politician. And that makes sense. He is a slick-talking con man from way back. That speech was really well written, and it appeared he mostly stayed on script (for a change.) But how can we take him at his word that he wants a new era of bipartisanship when he lied in the same speech?

    "Trump: “I want people to come into our country in the largest numbers ever, but they have to come in legally.”

    Rating: FALSE

    Context: Last fall Trump set the lowest cap in the history of the refugee admission program -- permitting just 30,000 a year. In former President Barack Obama's last year in office he proposed a cap of 110,000 amid the height of the crisis in Syria. In fiscal year 2017, the Trump administration allowed the second fewest refugees ever.

    Trump also won a battle in the Supreme Court to restrict all forms of travel and immigration from seven countries, five of which have Muslim majority populations. Just last week, the administration began selectively enforcing a new policy at the southern border that requires migrants seeking asylum to wait in Mexico while their applications are processed. He has also called for the elimination of the diversity visa program, which typically awards up to 50,000 immigration visas each year. "

    Fact Checking The President

    Oh, let me guess. You think the above documented LIE is 'fake news.'

    Do you really think he has allowed more legal immigration than ever before? Just because President Trump SAID so as "a plain spoken guy and he's easy to understand without going through a bunch of talking heads that hate him?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    You forgot the MOTHER of all bullshit investigations. I have zero idea if the first is an ADOBESHOPPED sign or not. The SCREEN GRAB from FOX and it's site are not...

    It's real, not photoshopped. I actually saw one a few years ago when Obama was still in office.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,



    I have no problem discerning that everything CNN reports is real. And I trust that if they mistakenly aired something that turned out to be incorrect that they would do a retraction.



    President Trump lies so much it is safe to simply assume everything he says is a lie until verified. That's why nobody is taking him seriously after his glowing SOTU speech. He really sounded good. Sounds like he is acting more like a seasoned slick politician. And that makes sense. He is a slick-talking con man from way back. That speech was really well written, and it appeared he mostly stayed on script (for a change.) But how can we take him at his word that he wants a new era of bipartisanship when he lied in the same speech?

    "Trump: “I want people to come into our country in the largest numbers ever, but they have to come in legally.”

    Rating: FALSE

    Context: Last fall Trump set the lowest cap in the history of the refugee admission program -- permitting just 30,000 a year. In former President Barack Obama's last year in office he proposed a cap of 110,000 amid the height of the crisis in Syria. In fiscal year 2017, the Trump administration allowed the second fewest refugees ever.

    Trump also won a battle in the Supreme Court to restrict all forms of travel and immigration from seven countries, five of which have Muslim majority populations. Just last week, the administration began selectively enforcing a new policy at the southern border that requires migrants seeking asylum to wait in Mexico while their applications are processed. He has also called for the elimination of the diversity visa program, which typically awards up to 50,000 immigration visas each year. "

    Fact Checking The President

    Oh, let me guess. You think the above documented LIE is 'fake news.'

    Do you really think he has allowed more legal immigration than ever before? Just because President Trump SAID so as "a plain spoken guy and he's easy to understand without going through a bunch of talking heads that hate him?"
    That’s a bad example to use to prove he’s “lying”. Have you ever been to a citizen swearing in ceremony? It’s pretty damn awesome. These new Americans probably know more American history than either of us, and have worked very hard to become citizens. The “legal” immigration you speak of is nothing more than throwing open the gate and letting in the undocumented democrats. So no, He’s not lying when he says he wants as much legal immigration as possible. You just have 500 definitions of “legal”
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Under President Trump's new 'era of bipartisanship,' the media is completely free to report anything they like about him; - as long as it is favorable!
    You used the words ‘media’, ‘favorable’ and ‘Trump’ all in the same sentence lol.

    The media bias against this president is unprecedented.
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    Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    That’s a bad example to use to prove he’s “lying”. Have you ever been to a citizen swearing in ceremony? It’s pretty damn awesome. These new Americans probably know more American history than either of us, and have worked very hard to become citizens. The “legal” immigration you speak of is nothing more than throwing open the gate and letting in the undocumented democrats. So no, He’s not lying when he says he wants as much legal immigration as possible. You just have 500 definitions of “legal”
    You totally side-stepped my excellent point.

    That's how I know I hit a bulls eye.

    All you can come back with is whataboutism.

    Just because you want to cover your eyes when this is presented, here is my excellent point again for your viewing pleasure:

    " How can we take President Trump at his word that he wants a new era of bipartisanship when he straight up lied in the very same speech?

    "Trump: “I want people to come into our country in the largest numbers ever, but they have to come in legally.”

    Rating: FALSE

    Context: Last fall Trump set the lowest cap in the history of the refugee admission program -- permitting just 30,000 a year. In former President Barack Obama's last year in office he proposed a cap of 110,000 amid the height of the crisis in Syria. In fiscal year 2017, the Trump administration allowed the second fewest refugees ever.

    Trump also won a battle in the Supreme Court to restrict all forms of travel and immigration from seven countries, five of which have Muslim majority populations. Just last week, the administration began selectively enforcing a new policy at the southern border that requires migrants seeking asylum to wait in Mexico while their applications are processed. He has also called for the elimination of the diversity visa program, which typically awards up to 50,000 immigration visas each year. "

    Fact Checking The President

    Oh, let me guess. You think the above documented LIE is 'fake news.' "

    We can only guess what you think about that because you totally side-stepped away from that one. It is a pretty blatant lie. It's kind of hard to try to claim the President told the truth there. I can't blame you for the whataboutism and trying to change the subject. You can SAY it's a bad example of his lying but you can't SHOW US WHY. Babbling on about a swearing in ceremony doesn't even ADDRESS The POINT. It's whataboutism. You can fool all the people some of the time and you can fool yourself all you want. You're not fooling me.
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    Hi Politalker,

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Is Admitting The News Is Actually Real Part of President Trump's New Bipartisan Era?
    Is admitting that some of the news is extremely biased and intentionality misleading going to be forthcoming from the left?

    Any bipartisan State has to have freedom of the press. That must certainly include investigative journalism and criticism of elected officials.
    Agreed. The media also needs to be unbiased, acting as an impartial "umpire" so to speak. But the current media tends to consistently bash one side (Republicans) while playing defense for the other (Democrats).

    A well informed populace is essential to the survival of a self-governed State.
    Again, I agree in principle, but the current biased media does not produce an informed populace. They only give one side of the story.

    Is the news media no longer 'the enemy of the State?'
    Typical distortion of what Trump said. Your side basically has no argument without misconstruing Trump's words. The fake news media (not the news media) is the enemy of the state. A biased media that refuses to report honestly and give equal treatment to both sides does not allow a free debate of ideas. They clearly have an agenda. Journalists should be presenting the facts and letting the audience draw their own conclusions.

    That's what embracing bipartisanship means.

    So far, he has only talked about what Democrats should give up.

    What is President Trump prepared to give up?
    Trump has offered to compromise repeatedly. Nancy Pelosi refuses to negotiate. Democrats seem to believe their best chance of beating Trump in 2020 is not to compromise with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    Is admitting that some of the news is extremely biased and intentionality misleading going to be forthcoming from the left?

    Your side basically has no argument without misconstruing Trump's words. The fake news media (not the news media) is the enemy of the state.
    Please cite some examples of this fake (i.e. false) news that is allegedly put out by the enemies of the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    Please cite some examples of this fake (i.e. false) news that is allegedly put out by the enemies of the people.
    Off the top of my head, the story about video of Jim Acosta that got his white house credentials yanked being "doctored". I'm not in the mood to do more research for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    Off the top of my head, the story about video of Jim Acosta that got his white house credentials yanked being "doctored". I'm not in the mood to do more research for you.
    But you know there's lot of it out there. I quite understand.

    Here is Trump talking about the fake news media in an interview, but he gives no examples of fake news.

    “A lot of the animosity that we have in our country is because of fake news. They’re so angry at the news. They get it. You guys are at my rallies all the time, you see the anger when I mention the words ‘fake news’ and they turn around. And they use CNN because they — it just sort of works for them, I guess.

    “But it’s ABC, it’s — NBC is maybe worse than anybody. I mean, NBC’s a total fraud as far as I’m concerned. Their news is disgusting. But I think NBC is as bad as anybody. You look at — and CBS — you look at what’s going on with the fake news and the people get it.”

    https://news.amomama.com/118900-cnn-...-news-acc.html


    I believe the people do get it. Trump is a bullshitter and his followers are dupes.

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