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    Default The EU’s hard-border bluff will soon collapse – and then it can get serious about Bre

    Yurt, there are no bans let's see if we get any intelligent debate from the usual suspects.


    We saw the first signs of this realisation dawning on Parliament when it rejected Mrs May’s original deal so decisively. We saw the second signs on Tuesday night. As that series of covert Remain amendments — most notably Cooper-Boles — fell, a pattern became apparent. Enough MPs now understand that if the institution of parliament is ever to command respect again, Brexit must happen, and the minimally acceptable way in which it must happen is that the permanent Irish backstop goes. The only blot was the vote for the Spelman amendment objecting to ‘no deal’. But this does not bind, and the rest of the dynamic of the evening makes clear for slow learners what has been apparent to sensible people ‘out of doors’ from the beginning — the only way for Britain to win any decent deal is to make no deal a real possibility. When Juncker, Varadkar and co understand that without a deal, their ‘hard border’ bluff collapses, they too might get serious.

    Jeremy Corbyn was well characterised by Liam Fox this week as ‘a Leaver in the north and a Remainer in the south’. Given his difficult position just now, this seems prudent, though not edifying. It is a modern political analogue of the rule that the monarch, though Supreme Governor of the Church of England, becomes, when she/he crosses the border, a member of the Church of Scotland. Cuius regio, eius religio (though one must not forget that most bits of the south, outside London, are Leave-supporting too). Unfortunately for Mr Corbyn, though, not everyone in his party is impressed, as the votes on Tuesday night showed.

    What to do about the coming shortage of green groceries of which several supermarkets warned yet again this week if there is a no-deal Brexit on 29 March? I am just old enough to remember when fresh fruit and veg were in short supply at this time of year. People used to know how to store things to mitigate the problem: apples would be carefully laid out on straw-strewn shelves. We ate lots of root vegetables and not much greenery. If ever you saw a strawberry out of season it came, for some reason, from Israel. Perhaps it is time for a Brexit recipe book, like those comforting wartime rationing ones full of bright ideas for dull things. In our part of the south coast we have racier ideas. We have a centuries-old tradition of smuggling (‘brandy for the parson, baccy for the clerk’), and are ready to set out in our little ships to Dunkirk or wherever and bring back luscious black-market lettuces and French beans, oranges and lemons. Our Sussex and Kent smugglers used to be known as ‘free traders’, which is interesting and — if we have to sneak over an EU tariff wall — entirely appropriate for today.

    My thanks to David Dilks, the distinguished historian, who emails me to question Philip Hammond’s recently repeated assertion — to justify his opposition to no deal — that no one in the EU referendum ‘voted to be worse off’. Professor Dilks points out that the Treasury, the department which Mr Hammond now runs, said again and again before the vote that we would be poorer, as did the Bank of England. Therefore, people did vote Leave believing they would be worse off, or did not believe the Treasury and the Bank. Mr Hammond’s Treasury is not telling us anything now that is new, or more believable than what Mr Osborne’s Treasury told us then. Personally, I do not believe that we shall be poorer after Brexit, even without a deal, except in the very short term; but Mr Hammond should consider the fact, almost unimaginable to a man like him, that some people do not put money above everything else.
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/...-about-brexit/
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    No where in that article does it explain why suddenly "Juncker, Varadkar and co understand that without a deal, their ‘hard border’ bluff collapses." How is it a bluff? Having an open border between Ireland and the North doesn't help the EU, so why is it considered a bluff?

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    In rejecting their view [Spinoza, Leibnitz and Hegel], as I shall contend that we must, we are committing ourselves to the opinion that “truth” in empirical material has a meaning different from that which it bears in logic and mathematics.”

    Bertrand Russell, “An Inquiry Into Meaning & Truth” (1940)

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    Go SLING your hook!' Nigel Farage blasts top civil servant's no-deal Brexit bill demands

    NIGEL Farage hit out at European Commission Secretary General Martin Selmayr over the possibility of Britain still having to pay a Ł39 billion withdrawal bill to the EU, even in the case of a no-deal Brexit.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...-meeting-uk-eu
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    In rejecting their view [Spinoza, Leibnitz and Hegel], as I shall contend that we must, we are committing ourselves to the opinion that “truth” in empirical material has a meaning different from that which it bears in logic and mathematics.”

    Bertrand Russell, “An Inquiry Into Meaning & Truth” (1940)

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    Holland is the latest EU country to wake up and realise the the implications on their flower industry.

    'We're FINISHED without Britain!' Dutch firms issue EU no-deal warning - end of the TULIP?

    A NO-DEAL Brexit could “finish” the lucrative Dutch flower industry, businesses have warned.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...lower-industry
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    Bloody birds, who needs foreign fine feathered philanderers!



    Migrating birds to be denied entry back into the UK in the spring following Brexit


    The quaint old British saying of ‘one swallow doesn’t make a summer’ might be a right load of old bollocks within a matter of months after the government announced today that new immigration laws would extend to wildlife.

    Secretary of State for the Environment, Michael Gove, told us today that he only wanted birds and animals in the UK who would ‘commit all year around’.

    He went on, “We can’t have creatures, birds especially, just coming over here when everything is rosy, eating all of the berries, having sex with the locals and then buggering off to the continent when the going gets tough. Where would we be if we all did that?

    “We wouldn’t put up with it from doctors and nurses, even if they were second generation, so we aren’t having it with these scrounging, feathery bastards.”

    It is believed that, if the wellbeing and morale of the other animals in the countryside is generally improved by the move, they will be offered a referendum to vote on whether they would like a cull of those who choose to hibernate.

    Squirrel Williams who, along with his brethren, is active all year round, told us today that it was about time something was done.

    “We work hard throughout the year, maintaining the forest and surrounding areas, yet those who either bugger off on holiday or, worse, just sleep think that they can swan back in here and just have a lovely summer? Bloody immigrants, coming in here and stealing our stockpiled food. It has to stop.”

    Mr Gove has refused to either deny or confirm plans to have marksmen positioned along the south coast, in order to shoot any birds trying the enter the country illegally.

    https://newsthump.com/2019/02/08/mig...QI-aPX4T9Kx100 to
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    EU ON THE BRINK: Rees-Mogg mocks eurozone as panic over ECONOMIC COLLAPSE hits Brussels

    LEADING Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg has taken aim at the eurozone’s growth record, claiming that the European project proves “the more Europe, the worse you do” - amid mounting fears over economic collapse in the EU.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...nomy-recession
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    IGNORE THEM!' Chief economist TEARS APART Brexit fear-mongers in STEP-BY-STEP take-down

    TODAY, we see the efforts of supposedly neutral civil servants issuing anti-Brexit propaganda, still hoping to reverse the referendum decision.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...for-free-trade
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    Brexit Britain VICTORY as Australia pledge to FAST-TRACK UK trade deal in event of no-deal

    AUSTRALIA will fast-track a trade deal with Britain in the event of a no-deal Brexit, the nation’s trade minister has pledged in a show of support to its UK allies.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...al-theresa-may
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    Yet another canard destroyed, Project Fear is just not scary enough!!

    Brexit Project Fear CRUSHED: UK lorries and planes WILL be allowed into EU after no-deal

    BRITISH lorries and planes will be allowed into Europe after a no deal Brexit, even if we leave without a deal, according to plans by the EU.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-brexit-latest is
    In rejecting their view [Spinoza, Leibnitz and Hegel], as I shall contend that we must, we are committing ourselves to the opinion that “truth” in empirical material has a meaning different from that which it bears in logic and mathematics.”

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