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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    He should be, metaphorically, shot too.
    Enough of these metaphorical discourses. Literal realism now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I think it’s a psuedo intellectual phrase, like toxic masculinity, that means nothing more than fashionable jargon.
    You can call it whatever you want, some people call it "white guilt," but there is a clear self-hatred based on whiteness among white people in the West.

    These are old fights and old arguments. This debate about the pluralistic nature of our country has been going on since the beginning of our nation.
    This debate isn't about pluralism. It's about the question of why this one race hates itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    You can call it whatever you want, some people call it "white guilt," but there is a clear self-hatred based on whiteness among white people in the West.



    This debate isn't about pluralism. It's about the question of why this one race hates itself.
    You must have missed my sentence on gross exaggeration?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    You must have missed my sentence on gross exaggeration?
    Did you watch the video? I don't think it's gross exaggeration to say that a very large amount of Whites are ethnomasochistic.

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    Hello StoneByStone,

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    I think that's a good theory for why Whites try to make the world a better place, like the way we eliminated slavery all over the world. But it doesn't explain why we literally destroy our own countries for other races.
    I don't think we've done that.

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    It doesn't explain why we see something as bad if it's "too white"
    We see that as bad because it supports automatic privileges for being white instead of equal chance for all to flourish and succeed.

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    and fight to give ourselves systematic disadvantages.
    I don't understand how the concept of equality is a disadvantage for anyone.
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    Hello StoneByStone,

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    A few cases here and there like this are nothing compared to the endless stream of anti-white garbage in mainstream media.
    Is it anti-white; or is it anti-discriminatory...
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    Hello Mott,

    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Shooting aristocrats would be a good start. They may fit into capitalism but they are still kleptocrats and a burden on societ.

    What a silly notion that the general population owes someone the wealth of their productivity, allegiance and loyalty due to an accident of birth.

    Fortunately our revolution ended such primitive institutions as Monarchy, Royalty and Aristocracy.
    Not really. Our new royalty is anointed by wealth acquisition and ego. Want to live in a castle? No problem. Just get a bunch of money and buy yourself one. Want to act like a king? No problem. Just throw some money at things in the right way and your decree will be the law of the land. Wealth is power. (Not to say that all wealthy choose to flex this power in this way. There are good capitalist kings and there are bad ones.)
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    Hello Mott,

    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Racist!

    No but seriously, the man is broadly traveled and makes some valid points but some of his points are gross exaggerations, others show a shocking ignorance of history and context.

    Let’s give some examples of historical and cultural differences between the West and Asia that the video ignores.

    Though these Asian Countries have modernized their cultures have not had the experience of a Reformation, a Renaissance, Enlightenment Revolutions or egalitarian rule.

    Minorities have no rights in these Asian countries or damned few, where as Western Liberal Democracies, particularly the United States have enshrined minority rights in our Constitutional forms of government to prevent a tyranny of the majority.

    This is an utterly alien concept in most, if not all, of Asia.

    So in short there is nothing new here. This is a debate that began and had continued since the founding of modern liberal democracies based on Enlightenment values. We, in the West, have discovered great value in protecting minority rights and this is a huge difference between Asia and the West and has been for a long time.
    I had to wonder, while watching the vid, if the 'Per capita income of Hong Kong' isn't heavily skewed upward from the median by the existence of a relatively few extremely wealthy individuals, and that the majority actually have very little. Don't people work in sweat shops there as they live stacked in horizontal lockers, barely more than a sleeping space? We do know that the 'per capita income' of the USA is definitely skewed by the existence of an extremely wealthy few, while many barely scrape by paycheck to paycheck, with the help of socialist taxpayer supported government assistance.

    Yeah, Hong Kong has a high GDP, but what is the water quality of the waterways? Probably not a very good idea to swim in Kowloon Bay.
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    Hello StoneByStone,

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Things like the Renaissance and the Enlightenment explain why we demand that all human beings have rights. However, they don't explain why so many Whites demand discrimination and propaganda against Whites, especially in our own countries. I think it's completely possible to have minority rights without ethnomasochism. The two are not incompatible.
    I don't think the white race is in any danger of being wiped out. And even if that were to happen one day very far into the future I don't see a problem with that. Don't most 'whites' actually have a mix of heritage, including DNA from many various races? Is allowing people the freedom to shack up with whomever they are attracted to, and to produce progeny at will 'ethnomasochism?'
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    Hello StoneByStone,

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    You can call it whatever you want, some people call it "white guilt," but there is a clear self-hatred based on whiteness among white people in the West.
    Don't most people actually have a bit of mixture of self-love and self-hatred? Isn't that really just part of being human?

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    This debate isn't about pluralism. It's about the question of why this one race hates itself.
    Does it really do that any more than it loves itself?
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    Hello StoneByStone,

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Did you watch the video? I don't think it's gross exaggeration to say that a very large amount of Whites are ethnomasochistic.
    I watched it. I do not agree.

    I don't think it's anything to worry about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Mott,



    I had to wonder, while watching the vid, if the 'Per capita income of Hong Kong' isn't heavily skewed upward from the median by the existence of a relatively few extremely wealthy individuals, and that the majority actually have very little. Don't people work in sweat shops there as they live stacked in horizontal lockers, barely more than a sleeping space? We do know that the 'per capita income' of the USA is definitely skewed by the existence of an extremely wealthy few, while many barely scrape by paycheck to paycheck, with the help of socialist taxpayer supported government assistance.

    Yeah, Hong Kong has a high GDP, but what is the water quality of the waterways? Probably not a very good idea to swim in Kowloon Bay.
    I have family members who work in Hong Kong. It's like any major city with it's population density but it is definately a first world city in terms of quality of life and standard of living. The per capita income they posted, I believe, is median per capita income, if so then it's probably fairly accurate.

    Just a short boat ride from Hong Kong is Macau and it has a median household income of over $100,000/year...so Hong Kong and Macau have first world quality of life and standard of living. Very comparable to any major US City.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post

    I don't think we've done that.
    We're in the process of it. Mass non-white immigration and anti-white state racism are still happening. We're also just accepting the social and media racism Whites now have to deal with. The results have been lower living standards for Whites.
    Keep in mind that multiracialism never works, and hated minorities usually face violent persecution. So what's going to happen when Whites are the minority in our own countries?

    We see that as bad because it supports automatic privileges for being white instead of equal chance for all to flourish and succeed.
    So how come we don't hear complaints about how Hollywood is "too Jewish" or STEM jobs are "too Asian" or any of the other fields where a non-white group is overrepresented?
    And this is America, where white is the majority. OF COURSE most fields will have a white majority. You don't go to Africa and say "damn, these governments are way too black."



    I don't understand how the concept of equality is a disadvantage for anyone.
    We don't have equality when affirmative action exists. When only Whites don't have freedom of association. When the media is grooming society to view everything we do as racist. These are some of the disadvantages.


    Is it anti-white; or is it anti-discriminatory...
    I would say it's anti-white because it blames white people for discrimination that isn't there. The media also ONLY talks about white racism, which is also propaganda.
    The narrative being constructed here is that Whites are racists. Movies like "Get Out" take it a step further and say the white people you know who have black friends and even date black people, well they're racist too. It's this whole "White Feminism" bullshit.
    Basically, the establishment want us to think the only good white person is a white person who accepts their racism and is working every day to harness the power of guilt to be a better POC ally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello StoneByStone,

    Don't most people actually have a bit of mixture of self-love and self-hatred? Isn't that really just part of being human?
    Sure, but not to the point where they are fighting to make life worse for themselves. I'm sure Blacks have a degree of self-hatred, but for them it's not racial, and it's not so strong that they demand more benefits for every other race but less for themselves.

    Does it really do that any more than it loves itself?
    Yes. The white race doesn't fight for it's own interests like every other race does.

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    Hello StoneByStone,

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    We're in the process of it. Mass non-white immigration and anti-white state racism are still happening. We're also just accepting the social and media racism Whites now have to deal with. The results have been lower living standards for Whites.
    I don't see that at all. My living standard is the same whether some immigrants are allowed to participate in our economy or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Keep in mind that multiracialism never works, and hated minorities usually face violent persecution. So what's going to happen when Whites are the minority in our own countries?
    Nothing is going to happen. Life will go on, all will be fine, even with multiracialism.

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    So how come we don't hear complaints about how Hollywood is "too Jewish" or STEM jobs are "too Asian" or any of the other fields where a non-white group is overrepresented?
    In case you have not noticed, we are trying to catch up because blacks have been so oppressed by slavery and discrimination. The slaves didn't ask to be brought here.

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    And this is America, where white is the majority. OF COURSE most fields will have a white majority. You don't go to Africa and say "damn, these governments are way too black."
    I really don't care who has greater numbers of individuals. But I would like to see a level playing field which would result in our various races being proportionally represented in most areas of the economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    We don't have equality when affirmative action exists. When only Whites don't have freedom of association. When the media is grooming society to view everything we do as racist.
    Total exaggeration.

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    These are some of the disadvantages.
    It hasn't hurt me.

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    I would say it's anti-white because it blames white people for discrimination that isn't there.
    That is a matter of perception.

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    The media also ONLY talks about white racism, which is also propaganda.
    It is not propaganda if it is verified fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    The narrative being constructed here is that Whites are racists.
    No, I don't get that. It is up to each individual how they think about racism.

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Basically, the establishment want us to think the only good white person is a white person who accepts their racism and is working every day to harness the power of guilt to be a better POC ally.
    What is a POC ally?

    And I totally do not see 'the establishment want us to think the only good white person is a white person who accepts their racism and is working every day to harness the power of guilt.' What I see is institutions which reflect our Constitution, our diverse culture, and the idea that all are created equal. And that logically seems like the only fair way to do it.
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