Why Do Conservatives Defend / Protect The Super-Rich?

[iolo]

^^Speaking of ludicrous, this assessment of wealthy people coming from a guy who lives under a monarchy...

Also ludicrous, how a discussion of taxing the wealthy in general turned, in your TDS infected mind to being about Trump specifically.

What the buggery has an ornamental Head of State (considerably better than a fat noodle constantly interfering by the way) got to do with the matter? (I am no supporter of the UK, incidentally). Trump, as you probably haven't noticed, claims to be very rich indeed. so it would be interesting to have any figures with relevance to how the incompetent clown has run down the fortune he got from his father, and how much he has had to borrow.

[evince]

It was, after all, the big selling point for emigration to America, and until about twenty years ago, you could make some sort of an (unconvincing) case for it, but I think large-scale brainwashing is more important. A lot of them really can't conceive of any other sort of society.

its called fox "news" claiming reality is fake and massaging their putty like racist leaning brains into self destruction

[evince]

What the buggery has an ornamental Head of State (considerably better than a fat noodle constantly interfering by the way) got to do with the matter? (I am no supporter of the UK, incidentally). Trump, as you probably haven't noticed, claims to be very rich indeed. so it would be interesting to have any figures with relevance to how the incompetent clown has run down the fortune he got from his father, and how much he has had to borrow.

and steal

[PoliTalker]

Hello Nordberg,

The wealth gap is worse than during the Gilded Age. It has been a long ,long time working the system by the wealthy to set the system up to their advantage, They even control the news and tell you the illegals and poor people are taking your money. And you idiots buy that. Amazing. They have set up the tax system to their advantage. They have set the laws up to help them. The politicians work for them too. But keep watching that poor person. That poor person is cheating you. Look to the super wealthy like Trump to solve your poblems.

Yeah, the people with 'all the money,' (so to speak) aren't the ones who are responsible for setting up the system to extract 'all the money' from everybody else.

It's definitely the people who have no wealth. They are the ones who have been extracting it all away from you.

Yeah, right.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Sirthinksalot,

The so called "wealth gap" is a bunch of nonsense. If you've got enough to eat, a place to live, a vehicle, a cell phone, etc. what do you care if someone else has more?

Well, you might care if you don't own a home, have health care, paid vacations, paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, or retirement savings.

And you might want to be careful with that 'what do you care' thing. That goes both ways.

The so-called 'persecuted rich person' is a bunch of nonsense. If you've got a mansion, a fleet of collector cars, a bunch of high dollar art, a yacht, a country club membership, a few vacation homes, some politicians under your thumb, and millions more than you can spend to leave to your heirs, what do you care if the government taxes away enough to keep America great?

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

That's part of it. They've also had it drilled into their heads that higher taxes on the very wealthy will have a terrible dampening effect on the economy over all, and they'll stop "creating jobs." It's a great trick that has been played on them, and they seem unable to understand that it's a totally false belief.

So true! The rich have skillfully redirected anger away from them and toward the government, the one entity that actually stands between the rich and their oppression of the poor.

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

That's exactly why the Civil War was framed by the South as NOT about slavery, but about "states' rights." To this day many Southerners insist that this is the truth. It's too hard to admit that they were gulled.

Yeah, the fact that if the South won they would have been able to keep slavery going never entered their minds. It was simply an 'unintended consequence' they would just have to 'learn to live with' somehow.

[PoliTalker]

Hello iolo,

What the buggery has an ornamental Head of State (considerably better than a fat noodle constantly interfering by the way) got to do with the matter? (I am no supporter of the UK, incidentally). Trump, as you probably haven't noticed, claims to be very rich indeed. so it would be interesting to have any figures with relevance to how the incompetent clown has run down the fortune he got from his father, and how much he has had to borrow.

I sometimes wonder if we havn't made a mistake by NOT having 'an ornamental Head of State.' I could not for the life of me figure out what in the world purpose the English Monarchy served for the longest time. But lately I've begun to observe that the English are simply crazy about the Queen. She serves as a noble figure, a sort of moral leader. This lifts the spirits of the people, gives them an example to be proud of. We haven't got anything like that in the USA. Until now we at least TRIED to elect leaders we could look up to, but now we see that won't always happen. We could elect a scoundrel. The subsequent decline of manners and respect has been observed and noted.

[Sirthinksalot]

Hi Politalker,

Hello Sirthinksalot,



Well, you might care if you don't own a home, have health care, paid vacations, paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, or retirement savings.

And you might want to be careful with that 'what do you care' thing. That goes both ways.

The so-called 'persecuted rich person' is a bunch of nonsense. If you've got a mansion, a fleet of collector cars, a bunch of high dollar art, a yacht, a country club membership, a few vacation homes, some politicians under your thumb, and millions more than you can spend to leave to your heirs, what do you care if the government taxes away enough to keep America great?

My 2 cents is:
People who don't own a home, have health care, paid vacations etc should focus on acquiring those things, not worrying that other people have more than they do.

The problem with raising taxes is, it's never enough for the crowd who thinks they're entitled to other people's wealth. I have no problem with paying taxes or our current progressive system. However, there's always "more good to be done" and I believe in a limited role for government. We have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

[iolo]

Hello iolo,



I sometimes wonder if we havn't made a mistake by NOT having 'an ornamental Head of State.' I could not for the life of me figure out what in the world purpose the English Monarchy served for the longest time. But lately I've begun to observe that the English are simply crazy about the Queen. She serves as a noble figure, a sort of moral leader. This lifts the spirits of the people, gives them an example to be proud of. We haven't got anything like that in the USA. Until now we at least TRIED to elect leaders we could look up to, but now we see that won't always happen. We could elect a scoundrel. The subsequent decline of manners and respect has been observed and noted.

I don't think the majority, even of the English, are 'crazy' about the Queen - a lot depends on the individual, and things will take a very swift dip if Carlo ever takes over from his Mother - but she knows how to keep her mouth shut and do her duty, though I think you'd have to take the Church very seriously to tolerate the boredom. Still, I agree with what you say.

[Frank Apisa]

Hi Politalker,



My 2 cents is:
People who don't own a home, have health care, paid vacations etc should focus on acquiring those things, not worrying that other people have more than they do.

The problem with raising taxes is, it's never enough for the crowd who thinks they're entitled to other people's wealth. I have no problem with paying taxes or our current progressive system. However, there's always "more good to be done" and I believe in a limited role for government. We have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

We have a spending problem AND a revenue problem.

Our spending problem is that we DO NOT spend anywhere near enough money where we should be spending it. We need to spend MUCH MORE on infrastructure, mass transit, education, and personal welfare.

MUCH MORE!

And in order to do so...we have to increase revenues.

I only hope that humanity last long enough so that SOMEDAY...we look back on the obscenely massive amounts of money we spend today on just "protecting" ourselves and others from EACH OTHER.

[iolo]

the trouble with old Sinkapot is that he's been brainwashed. We all pay taxes if we are earning enough, and we all benefit. He thinks he is a billionaire who never uses roads, because he flies everywhere, flapping his very large ears. In a crisis, he goes out with his little bang-bang and silences vast armies, so he doesn't need defence. All in all, we are bound to wonder if the bugger is human at all, and I must say I doubt it.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Sirthinksalot,

Hi Politalker,

My 2 cents is:
People who don't own a home, have health care, paid vacations etc should focus on acquiring those things, not worrying that other people have more than they do.

It is not up to us what they focus on. It is up to them. Those who are destined to acquire those things are already on that trajectory. Those who are not will never do so because the capitalist system is designed to keep the poor poor, and continue taking advantage of them. What are you trying to do, kill the payday loan business AND the Buy Here Pay Here business? How about the Bail Bond business? Big tobacco still hangs on, and now there are many earning big money in the vape business. Would you deprive slum lords of their fat incomes? Taking advantage of the poor is BIG BUSINESS in the USA. A big chunk of our economy comes from taking advantage of the poor.

Before you blame the poor for their own condition you might want to take a look at all the well-off people preying on them.

The problem with raising taxes is, it's never enough for the crowd who thinks they're entitled to other people's wealth. I have no problem with paying taxes or our current progressive system. However, there's always "more good to be done" and I believe in a limited role for government. We have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

Tax cuts have FAR OUTSTRIPPED tax hikes. Nobody has the fortitude to raise taxes. We do not have a spending problem. What we have is a tax cutting problem.

If we simply left taxes where they were decades ago we would not be so deep in federal debt.

We need to BOLD POLITICIANS who answer to the people and are willing to RAISE TAXES ON THE SUPER RICH so we can balance our budget, upgrade our infrastructure, energy supply and dilapidated education system.

The simple fact that so many people voted for Donald Trump shows how badly our education system has failed us. We should not have a big deficit when the economy is good.