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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourbon View Post
    I saw several of them on the news last night, handing out Free Food to Federal Workers who are in the middle of Trump's Shut Down.
    So is our Church, so are everyday Americans, people helping people without the Government involved, just like it was before democrats figured out they could buy votes by giving free stuff away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Higher minimum is about nothing but raking in more tax dollars, Democrats don't care about these people, except for the fact it's more money to give away!

    You’re arguing an Increased minimum wage increases output which results in higher tax revenue. It has no affect on prices or jobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Higher minimum is about nothing but raking in more tax dollars, Democrats don't care about these people, except for the fact it's more money to give away!
    Hard to rake in more tax dollars when you force businesses to close or they make less profit.

    That is the problem with the Fascistic Liberal ideology; they make policies intended to punish those who create jobs which leads to less revenue and more heartache for the very people they claim to champion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    So is our Church, so are everyday Americans, people helping people without the Government involved, just like it was before democrats figured out they could buy votes by giving free stuff away!
    In Fascist liberal land; the citizens are too stupid to make it on their own so they need dishonest political apparatchiks to rob the job creators to give it to those who elect them.
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    Bottom line...…...racists white men never wanted to raise wages for Black workers...…..they have made their billions off of slave labor and they like to keep it like that.

    They have conned the American people into thinking MW should be kept low for what ever shitty lie they can think of.

    It's called OPPRESSION! The white mans way to keep control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    How does this bloviation address the FACTS in my post? Do you have a link to any of the laughable claims you are making above?
    Dude I lived there for several years during the years when the carpetbaggers moved in and tried to turn the town into a place for the rich and famous. I am speaking from experience.

    Eating out in restaurants became unpleasant, because every restaurant in town did not have enough waitstaff anywhere you went in town. Why? Because they couldn't afford more employees because the workers demanded even more money- as restaurant employees couldn't any longer afford to live there- and had to commute from somewhere else.

    In other words, the Elitists that ran the town didn't appreciate people who make low wages (People like you), had no respect for them, didn't want them even in their town, and ran them out of town, ended up putting a burden on restaurants and other service oriented businesses, to even be able to survive there either.

    It has changed over the last few years as Santa Fe has learned it's lesson, and has since built affordable apartments again there for low wage earners to be able to live and work there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    Dude I lived there for several years during the years when the carpetbaggers moved in and tried to turn the town into a place for the rich and famous. I am speaking from experience.
    No, you are bloviating anecdotal baloney with nothing to substantiate other than, "because you say so."

    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    Eating out in restaurants became unpleasant, because every restaurant in town did not have enough waitstaff anywhere you went in town, because they couldn't afford more employees because the workers demanded more money- as restaurant employees couldn't any longer afford to live there- and had to commute from somewhere else.
    More anecdotal baloney......where's the beef snowflake?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    In other words, the Elitists that ran the town didn't appreciate people who make low wages (People like you), had no respect for them, didn't want them even in their town, and ran them out of town, ended up putting a burden on restaurants and other service oriented businesses, to even be able to survive there either.
    More opinionated baloney.....where's the beef snowflake? Facts....Proof...you know!

    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    It has changed over the last few years as Santa Fe has learned it's lesson, and has since built affordable apartments again there for low wage earners to be able to live and work there.
    Again, the thread is about arbitrary increases in the minimum wage and their impact on restaurants. Got anything other than OPINIONS lacking anything factual to back them up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    Bottom line...…...racists white men never wanted to raise wages for Black workers...…..they have made their billions off of slave labor and they like to keep it like that.
    FACT, Trump, in his first two years, a white dude has done more to help blacks, raising their wages and lowering their unemployment than the semi-black dude named Obama in eight years.

    Why do race hustling morons ignore facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    They have conned the American people into thinking MW should be kept low for what ever shitty lie they can think of.
    How does an arbitrary increase in the minimum wage laws make things better for them race hustler? Be specific using something more credible that your lunatic bloviation.

    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    It's called OPPRESSION! The white mans way to keep control.
    The only one's "oppressing" the black community are the black leadership and the Democratic Party of the Jackass.

    Chicago Black Activists: "Voting Democrat is Black on Black Crime"!--" Government's War On Family"
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    We're having the exact same issue in San Francisco. Cost of food is increasing and workers are having hours reduced or jobs eliminated. It's one thing for cities to do this to themselves, it's another for the federal government to force this on the whole country ($15 min wage). One doesn't need to imagine too hard what the results would be in cities and towns not named NY and SF.





    New York Restaurants Struggle to Adapt to Higher Wages

    The minimum wage in New York City rose to $15 per hour, forcing some restaurants to cut employees and raise prices.


    MORE THAN three-quarters of restaurants in New York City have reduced employee hours since the minimum wage was increased to $15 per hour.

    In a survey by The NYC Hospitality Alliance, 76.5 percent of full-service restaurant respondents said they had to reduce employee hours and 36 percent said they eliminated jobs in 2018 in response to the mandated wage increase.

    Additionally, 75 percent of limited-service restaurant respondents said they plan to reduce employee hours and 53 percent said they plan to eliminate jobs this year.

    Championed by progressive Democrats, minimum wage hikes have been a hot-button political issue across the country – especially in the restaurant industry, where ensuring a fair wage to workers who receive tips has proved challenging.

    The mandatory wage increase, to $15 from $13 per hour, went into effect Dec. 31 for all employers in the city with 11 or more employees. It marked an increase of about 15 percent and was the city's third wage hike since Dec. 31, 2016.

    In response to the increase, 90 percent of full-service restaurants reported that in 2018 they increased menu prices. Almost 3 percent eliminated tipping or cited the increase as "a significant factor" in closing their business. Furthermore, almost 56 percent of full-service restaurants made changes to their food and drink offerings to reduce costs.

    In 2019, restaurants are looking to make even more changes. About 87 percent reported they would increase their prices and about three-quarters said they would eliminate jobs. Almost 4 percent said they would eliminate tipping.

    Compared to 2017, 40 percent of restaurants reported last year that they employed fewer people but their payroll costs did not change.

    Among limited-service restaurants, the mandated wage increases were a significant factor in 15.6 percent of closures in 2018. In 2019, 78 percent will increase their menu prices and more than half will eliminate jobs. Of limited-service restaurants that increased their menu prices, about 47 percent reported that repeat customers dined there less frequently.

    Businesses with 10 employers or fewer are also affected by the wage hikes. As of Dec. 31, those wages rose from $12 to $13.50 and are scheduled to match the $15 per hour minimum at the end of 2019.


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    OK...I don't get it. What is the problem here? The cost of labor is what it is. If Restaurants in NYC can't cover their over head cost which include maybe they need to adjust their business model to be more competative. Why should workers sacrifice their right to negotiate for the cost of their services so these businesses can succeed on their backs?

    Why is it ok for these Restaurants to collectively organize to negotiate what they can charge for their goods and services but it's horrible that workers have the same level playing field right to collectively negotiate that these businesses do?

    So what if these business struggle? What's even the point of working for one if you don't earn an acceptable living wasge? What good are they to you as a worker if only they profit?

    You're free market fundamentalism is showing your double standard again Wacko. Why do you want to take away rights of workers that business enjoy so that businesses can succeed on the backs of their workers? What's even the point of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    No, you are bloviating anecdotal baloney with nothing to substantiate other than, "because you say so."



    More anecdotal baloney......where's the beef snowflake?



    More opinionated baloney.....where's the beef snowflake? Facts....Proof...you know!



    Again, the thread is about arbitrary increases in the minimum wage and their impact on restaurants. Got anything other than OPINIONS lacking anything factual to back them up?
    Idiot. I was trying to point out that White Nationalism and Racism also has a negative impact on small businesses such as restaurants- and can even cause labor to cost even more.

    And I used Santa Fe as a living example of how and where that was proven true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    OK...I don't get it. What is the problem here? The cost of labor is what it is. If Restaurants in NYC can't cover their over head cost which include maybe they need to adjust their business model to be more competative. Why should workers sacrifice their right to negotiate for the cost of their services so these businesses can succeed on their backs?
    Mandating arbitrary minimum wage laws negates their ability to negotiate? How is a dish washer a unique and difficult job mandating higher wage rates? How are businesses forcing anyone to work for less than they are worth.

    What we have here scarecrow, are a lot of strawmen in your post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Why is it ok for these Restaurants to collectively organize to negotiate what they can charge for their goods and services but it's horrible that workers have the same level playing field right to collectively negotiate that these businesses do?
    Do you have any facts to back up this assertion that they are colluding among themselves? Another strawman scarecrow.

    Arbitrarily setting minimum wages actually negates workers ability to negotiate scarecrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    So what if these business struggle?
    So what if they close and people end up on the unemployment line? Dumb.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    What's even the point of working for one if you don't earn an acceptable living waste?
    So if this is true, scarecrow, why not mandate an hourly wage of $45 an hour? Who can live in NYC on $15?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    What good are they to you as a worker if only they profit?
    Why operate a business without a profit you Marxist moron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    You're free market fundamentalism is showing your double standard again Wacko.
    Your Marxist ramblings suggests a lack of education.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Why do you want to take away rights of workers that business enjoy so that businesses can succeed on the backs of their workers. What's even the point of that?
    Who is forcing anyone to work for less than they think they are worth in this country you Marxist dunce?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    Idiot. I was trying to point out that White Nationalism and Racism also has a negative impact on small businesses such as restaurants- and can even cause labor to cost even more.
    No, you were making yourself look like a blithering moron. White Nationalism and Racism are screeds lacking factual support.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    And I used Santa Fe as a living example of how and where that was proven true.
    And yet, when asked to provide factual support, you deflect and bloviate like a clueless moron about Racism.
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    You know what the minimum wage means to business?....

    ....to business, it only means, "I would pay you less- if I only could"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    your goal is to make child labor great again isnt it?
    Nice cheap shot! LOL

    No it's like Wack doesn't get it. I make the equivalent of $40/hour. I'm not a manager. I am a professional and I am an individual contributor. In short, I'm still a laborer. The only reason I get paid the high wages that I do is that if my fellow colleagues and I walked off the job, the business would be shut down. They can't only not succeed without our skilled work...they can't do any business at all.

    So you can see why I'm pretty flippant by some MBA type who wants to eliminate my right to have a say in what I get paid for my work so some MBA type can make more money on my back and everyone else's wage gets diluted.

    Wacko just hasn't seem to have worn those shoes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    OK...I don't get it. What is the problem here? The cost of labor is what it is. If Restaurants in NYC can't cover their over head cost which include maybe they need to adjust their business model to be more competative. Why should workers sacrifice their right to negotiate for the cost of their services so these businesses can succeed on their backs?

    Why is it ok for these Restaurants to collectively organize to negotiate what they can charge for their goods and services but it's horrible that workers have the same level playing field right to collectively negotiate that these businesses do?

    So what if these business struggle? What's even the point of working for one if you don't earn an acceptable living wasge? What good are they to you as a worker if only they profit?

    You're free market fundamentalism is showing your double standard again Wacko. Why do you want to take away rights of workers that business enjoy so that businesses can succeed on the backs of their workers? What's even the point of that?
    There is no free market at play when it is mandated by the government. If workers go their bosses and get a raise that’s their deal. If you don’t like your pay at one place you as a worker have the right to go to another establishment where they will pay you higher. There have been multiple articles written locally about what the increased cost of labor has done to restaurants in SF (and it’s not me writing the articles)

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