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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Coupled with increased rent, and operating costs. Add to that the fact that more and more people simply don't have the funds to eat out as much.

    But there's always a pseudo economist who will rush to blame labor costs. They don't want to pay for food stamps, and they don't want to pay for a living wage.
    LOL, “pseudo economists”. That’s what you call basic economics today. Good one Althea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Coupled with increased rent, and operating costs. Add to that the fact that more and more people simply don't have the funds to eat out as much.

    But there's always a pseudo economist who will rush to blame labor costs. They don't want to pay for food stamps, and they don't want to pay for a living wage.
    A $15 MW would be a disaster for small business in a lot of America. It isn't pseudo-economics, it is micro-economics. That said, the high costs are what makes it difficult for restaurants to rebrand themselves every 3-5 years to keep pace with the fickle public in these big blue areas.

    I cannot speak for other people's personal decisions in this regard, but we eat out about once a week and do carry out about the same. If I could reduce that to none per week it would be a huge victory. It isn't a money issue. I just don't like the food any more. It is too something--either greasy, salty, sweet, hot, or blah--I cannot recall the last time I had an entire meal out that made me say "Wow, I cannot wait to come back".

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    your goal is to make shit up isnt it.
    So I was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    A $15 MW would be a disaster for small business in a lot of America. It isn't pseudo-economics, it is micro-economics. That said, the high costs are what makes it difficult for restaurants to rebrand themselves every 3-5 years to keep pace with the fickle public in these big blue areas.

    I cannot speak for other people's personal decisions in this regard, but we eat out about once a week and do carry out about the same. If I could reduce that to none per week it would be a huge victory. It isn't a money issue. I just don't like the food any more. It is too something--either greasy, salty, sweet, hot, or blah--I cannot recall the last time I had an entire meal out that made me say "Wow, I cannot wait to come back".
    Agree about the eating out. We do it for special occasions, and we do take out a few times/week if we're both too busy to cook. I'm often left underwhelmed by the food that we get at new sit down establishments, but we typically frequent places that we are happy with.

    The problem is that nobody wants to start the process of putting more money into the hands of those who drive the economy....the consumers. In theory, business will do better when everyone has money to spend. $15/hr. doesn't quite get anyone there, but it helps.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    “In theory”, sure Althea, “in theory” we could raise the minimum wage to $30/hr (or any arbitrary amount) and workers would have more money but doesn’t address economic realities such as price inflation and the lost jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Agree about the eating out. We do it for special occasions, and we do take out a few times/week if we're both too busy to cook. I'm often left underwhelmed by the food that we get at new sit down establishments, but we typically frequent places that we are happy with.

    The problem is that nobody wants to start the process of putting more money into the hands of those who drive the economy....the consumers. In theory, business will do better when everyone has money to spend. $15/hr. doesn't quite get anyone there, but it helps.

    I personally have zero desire to promote more consumerism. It is bad for the environment, destroys wildlife, and is rather pointless. People just need to focus on having a better quality of life and that does not require having Louis Vuitton purses. We grow a significant amount of our annual veg consumption with what really isn't a ton of time in the grand scheme of things. It isn't necessary that we do that either but it adds to our quality of life in more ways than dollars and cents. It also provides us a certain guarantee that we produce for ourselves that is not contingent on other people, money, or anything other than our own effort. That is what people unrealistically want---someone else to guarantee them a job, a house, an income. That isn't reflective of today's marketplace and the government simply will never do it. The days of spending your entire working life with one or 2 companies, or 1 industry are over. To be able to sit down and plot out a 20-30 year career trajectory are over. Even doctors and layers increasingly have Plan B's and Plan C's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    We're having the exact same issue in San Francisco. Cost of food is increasing and workers are having hours reduced or jobs eliminated. It's one thing for cities to do this to themselves, it's another for the federal government to force this on the whole country ($15 min wage). One doesn't need to imagine too hard what the results would be in cities and towns not named NY and SF.





    New York Restaurants Struggle to Adapt to Higher Wages

    The minimum wage in New York City rose to $15 per hour, forcing some restaurants to cut employees and raise prices.


    MORE THAN three-quarters of restaurants in New York City have reduced employee hours since the minimum wage was increased to $15 per hour.

    In a survey by The NYC Hospitality Alliance, 76.5 percent of full-service restaurant respondents said they had to reduce employee hours and 36 percent said they eliminated jobs in 2018 in response to the mandated wage increase.

    Additionally, 75 percent of limited-service restaurant respondents said they plan to reduce employee hours and 53 percent said they plan to eliminate jobs this year.

    Championed by progressive Democrats, minimum wage hikes have been a hot-button political issue across the country – especially in the restaurant industry, where ensuring a fair wage to workers who receive tips has proved challenging.

    The mandatory wage increase, to $15 from $13 per hour, went into effect Dec. 31 for all employers in the city with 11 or more employees. It marked an increase of about 15 percent and was the city's third wage hike since Dec. 31, 2016.

    In response to the increase, 90 percent of full-service restaurants reported that in 2018 they increased menu prices. Almost 3 percent eliminated tipping or cited the increase as "a significant factor" in closing their business. Furthermore, almost 56 percent of full-service restaurants made changes to their food and drink offerings to reduce costs.

    In 2019, restaurants are looking to make even more changes. About 87 percent reported they would increase their prices and about three-quarters said they would eliminate jobs. Almost 4 percent said they would eliminate tipping.

    Compared to 2017, 40 percent of restaurants reported last year that they employed fewer people but their payroll costs did not change.

    Among limited-service restaurants, the mandated wage increases were a significant factor in 15.6 percent of closures in 2018. In 2019, 78 percent will increase their menu prices and more than half will eliminate jobs. Of limited-service restaurants that increased their menu prices, about 47 percent reported that repeat customers dined there less frequently.

    Businesses with 10 employers or fewer are also affected by the wage hikes. As of Dec. 31, those wages rose from $12 to $13.50 and are scheduled to match the $15 per hour minimum at the end of 2019.


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    The one thing NYC will never have a shortage of restaurants. Any given block in Manhattan with foot traffic has more places to eat than would ever be needed. SF is no comparison, perhaps in NYC it is all just hitting the point of marginal utility

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    Higher wages is what allows people to enjoy eating out in the first place.

    Higher wages works in the favor of businesses, because more money is available for people to spend on privileges, rather than just necessities.

    If your business depends on cheap labor just to make yourself a profit, you shouldn't even be in business in the first place, as you are simply fostering poverty, and not much help to anyone but yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    We're having the exact same issue in San Francisco. Cost of food is increasing and workers are having hours reduced or jobs eliminated. It's one thing for cities to do this to themselves, it's another for the federal government to force this on the whole country ($15 min wage). One doesn't need to imagine too hard what the results would be in cities and towns not named NY and SF.
    Why should anyone be surprised by this? Other than the low IQ economically clueless losers on the left?
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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    your goal is to make child labor great again isnt it?
    Where are restaurants using child labor you clueless lying dullard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    No matter how hard the liberals try, they can't make entry level jobs into careers. There's only so much money flowing into the industry. It will never be enough money to support paying the busboy enough to buy a home and have a family. Unless you want to pay $200/person for dinner at Denny's
    That is the lie that is the Party of the Jackass....that all jobs should pay a living wage. How is that working in Venezuela?
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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    your goal is to make child labor great again isnt it?
    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    your goal is to make shit up isnt it.
    See above if you want to see a moron who makes shit up....dumb fuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    NYC has been losing restaurants for about a decade. It isn't just a MW issue. It is happening in a lot of big cities. The business is being gutted by instagram foodies who have to selfie at the newest trendy restaurant and then won't return whether they like the food or not because they have to move on to the next newest and trendiest restaurant to selfie at.
    There is some truth to this.....and massively high rents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    There are bus boys at Denny's?
    Yes there are; you don't get out much do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    And a dishwasher! Food service: How does it work?

    Do you think the dishes walk themselves to the kitchen?
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