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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Look there is room for compromise on both sides. From what I'm seeing Democrats are being as intransigent as Republicans.
    I appreciate your frustration, Mott...and I understand where you are coming from on this issue...

    ...BUT...I respectfully disagree.

    Money for the border wall...and re-opening the government are not even related.

    To open the government requires passing a continuing resolution...funding the various agencies and departments at the levels they were last year.

    The money being requested for the border wall is a new expenditure...necessitated by an unreasonable request that congress fund a promise made by Trump in order to get elected. This comes on the heels of Trump having total control of government for the first two years of his presidency, where (SUPPOSEDLY) he could have gotten this done if he wanted.

    He could have gotten this done then.


    Granted the idea of a wall is meant for the brain dead and the stupid.
    Yes it is. It is abject idiocy. Funding it certainly is. Holding the government hostage to attain it DEFINITELY IS.

    I get it.
    Okay...then extend that "getting" to consider the ramifications of "Okay, we will give you the wall...and will agree that this form of extortion is acceptable in budget negotiations."

    Horrible idea!



    But the funding being asked for, by federal measures, is miniscule.
    Let's say that $5.6 BILLION is "minuscule." (IT ISN'T!)

    But in the grand scheme of things...it is a hell of a lot, considering we are not able to do many things for lack of money.

    It should be used there...not as a tribute to a foolishly made campaign promise.

    For christ sakes agree to some immigration security measure and a compromise that includes a fence and be done with it. Open the government back up!
    Let Trump sign the CR...declare a national emergency on the question of the wall...and see if he can sell it to the courts. He saves face...and the government opens.

    What's going on right now is a childish game of chicken.
    It is a game he chose to play.

    As far as I am concerned any capitulation beyond what the Dems have already offered...is supporting further destruction to our nation by this abomination.

    Trump can do this himself. He can both open government AND declare an emergency for the wall.

    If Mitch McConnell and the Republicans in the Senate are unwilling to defy Trump in order to get the government re-opened, then Trump should take responsibility for what he has created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Oh god forbid that Trump should score a political point.

    This has grown to epic silly proportions and it needs to stop on both side.
    Bingo on scoring the political point.

    5B is less of a significant fraction of the budget than Elizabeth Warren’s Indian DNA. You say it’s a waste of money but the Congress has thrown more money than that at rank idiocy and never blinked an eye.

    How about we get started on it, and if it doesn’t work, mock Trump and his supporters all you want. Or if does work, just don’t talk about it lol.

    Democrats are determined to prevent Trump from even starting on a wall/barrier/whatever out of sheer political spite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    The walls we have work. Just ask Jim Acosta, ... AssCrack.
    It's OK that you had to run from your claim in tears, Mrs. Bubbles.

    It's what you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    This shit needs to stop. A horrible precedent is being set. Neither party is doing anything to resolve this shutdown and end it. It's all about which party is going to win this stand off or who's going to blink first so that they can gain some sort of political advantage for 2020.

    This shit needs to stop and it needs to stop now. A pox on both houses!
    I'm all for a pox on both their houses when it really is both of them. But with this government shutdown, it's Trump's fault. Nobody else's.

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    well the nwo plan was beautiful, both sides watching the government shut down and projecting their own #winning onto the fog bank of confusion. just like project blue beam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    They turned them down but keep in mind that Trump is asking for a significant amount of money not to improve border security but to throw a populust SOP to morons. So rejecting on general principle as being the absolute dumbest idea in modern politics isn't exactly flawed.


    But it aint worth shutting the government down over.
    5.7 bil doesnt seem like a lot in terms of the budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuke View Post
    5.7 bil doesnt seem like a lot in terms of the budget.
    Dump repeatedly said that Mexico was going to pay for his beautiful wall, not the U.S. Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    This shit needs to stop. A horrible precedent is being set. Neither party is doing anything to resolve this shutdown and end it. It's all about which party is going to win this stand off or who's going to blink first so that they can gain some sort of political advantage for 2020.

    This shit needs to stop and it needs to stop now. A pox on both houses!
    This is a typical mealy-mouth leftist tactic. When the Democrats are being completely unreasonable and can't be defended, blame both parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    the dems give in to him and we will have shutdown after shutdown fool

    grow the hell up mott
    Then it stays closed. I am good with that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    IDK, Kacper, ... there's been rumors of cracks on both sides, but nothing has happened. I'm beginning to feel that a National Emergency may be the only way to end the stalemate. But I hope you're right :0)
    National emergency wouldn't work. that $5.7B would have to come out of the 75% of government already funded. That would be very difficult without raiding the DoD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Trumps is attempting to use black mail and extortion, which the US Congress should never respond to.
    Moron thinks Pelosi and Schumer aren't extorting a President.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    If Obama had tried to use extortion by shutting down the government to get his stimulus bill passed in 2009, there would have been calls for his impeachment.
    Oooops:

    From October 1 to October 17, 2013, the United States federal government entered a shutdown and curtailed most routine operations because neither legislation appropriating funds for fiscal year 2014 nor a continuing resolution for the interim authorization of appropriations for fiscal year 2014 was enacted in time. Regular government operations resumed October 17 after an interim appropriations bill was signed into law.

    During the shutdown, approximately 800,000 federal employees were indefinitely furloughed, and another 1.3 million were required to report to work without known payment dates. Only those government services deemed "excepted" under the Antideficiency Act were continued; and only those employees deemed "excepted" continued to report to work.[2] The previous U.S. federal government shutdown was in 1995–96.[3][4] The 16-day-long shutdown of October 2013 was the third-longest government shutdown in U.S. history, after the currently ongoing 2018–2019 shutdown and the 21-day 1995–96 shutdown.

    A "funding-gap" was created when the two chambers of Congress failed to agree to an appropriations continuing resolution. The Republican-led House of Representatives, in part encouraged by conservative senators such as Ted Cruz[5] and conservative groups such as Heritage Action,[6][7][8] offered several continuing resolutions with language delaying or defunding the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (commonly known as "Obamacare"). The Democratic-led Senate passed several amended continuing resolutions for maintaining funding at then-current sequestration levels with no additional conditions. Political fights over this and other issues between the House on one side and President Barack Obama and the Senate on the other led to a budget impasse which threatened massive disruption.[9][10][11]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    The 6 billion is a downpayment on a hugely more expensive wall. It does not end here. Trump"I will shut it down. I will take the mantle. I will not blame you." Then he did. This is Trump's shutdown. He offered 2 small programs that were taken away by himself. He essentially will go back to how it was for the wall. He gives nothing and wins.
    He knew the Dems could not buy that deal. The real point was to try and shift the blame to the Dems. That is all it was meant to do.
    There have been several bills in the past that Trump agreed to that would have stopped this from happening. Trumpy changed his mind at the last second. No matter how you scramble this, Trump is responsible. He pulled out of one deal due to Colter and Limburger. Who voted for them?
    No, dumb fuck, it isn't expensive. Fully funding the wall at $29 billion amounts to a trivial .69% of the Federal Budget. Arguments like this are stupid, lame and lack the intelligence God gave a lemming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Look there is room for compromise on both sides. From what I'm seeing Democrats are being as intransigent as Republicans.
    WRONG; the only one compromising is Trump. What you are seeing here are Democrats acting like whiny little children. The amount they refuse to fund is a trivial .0165% of the Federal Budget. If you are going to fall on your sword over that amount of money, NOTHING is negotiable so just shut the whole damned thing down.

    Democrats are once again lowering the bar so low that it can never reset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LOWCharacterAssHOLE View Post
    Please stop showing up here drunk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Oh god forbid that Trump should score a political point.

    This has grown to epic silly proportions and it needs to stop on both side.
    WRONG; it only needs to stop on the Democratic side. Trump is President no matter how much they protest, cry and stomp their little feet.
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