christiefan915 (01-22-2019)
I appreciate your frustration, Mott...and I understand where you are coming from on this issue...
...BUT...I respectfully disagree.
Money for the border wall...and re-opening the government are not even related.
To open the government requires passing a continuing resolution...funding the various agencies and departments at the levels they were last year.
The money being requested for the border wall is a new expenditure...necessitated by an unreasonable request that congress fund a promise made by Trump in order to get elected. This comes on the heels of Trump having total control of government for the first two years of his presidency, where (SUPPOSEDLY) he could have gotten this done if he wanted.
He could have gotten this done then.
Yes it is. It is abject idiocy. Funding it certainly is. Holding the government hostage to attain it DEFINITELY IS.Granted the idea of a wall is meant for the brain dead and the stupid.
Okay...then extend that "getting" to consider the ramifications of "Okay, we will give you the wall...and will agree that this form of extortion is acceptable in budget negotiations."I get it.
Horrible idea!
Let's say that $5.6 BILLION is "minuscule." (IT ISN'T!)But the funding being asked for, by federal measures, is miniscule.
But in the grand scheme of things...it is a hell of a lot, considering we are not able to do many things for lack of money.
It should be used there...not as a tribute to a foolishly made campaign promise.
Let Trump sign the CR...declare a national emergency on the question of the wall...and see if he can sell it to the courts. He saves face...and the government opens.For christ sakes agree to some immigration security measure and a compromise that includes a fence and be done with it. Open the government back up!
It is a game he chose to play.What's going on right now is a childish game of chicken.
As far as I am concerned any capitulation beyond what the Dems have already offered...is supporting further destruction to our nation by this abomination.
Trump can do this himself. He can both open government AND declare an emergency for the wall.
If Mitch McConnell and the Republicans in the Senate are unwilling to defy Trump in order to get the government re-opened, then Trump should take responsibility for what he has created.
christiefan915 (01-22-2019)
Bingo on scoring the political point.
5B is less of a significant fraction of the budget than Elizabeth Warren’s Indian DNA. You say it’s a waste of money but the Congress has thrown more money than that at rank idiocy and never blinked an eye.
How about we get started on it, and if it doesn’t work, mock Trump and his supporters all you want. Or if does work, just don’t talk about it lol.
Democrats are determined to prevent Trump from even starting on a wall/barrier/whatever out of sheer political spite.
Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017
Bigdog (01-22-2019), Truth Detector (01-22-2019)
well the nwo plan was beautiful, both sides watching the government shut down and projecting their own #winning onto the fog bank of confusion. just like project blue beam.
Truth Detector (01-22-2019)
christiefan915 (01-22-2019)
Truth Detector (01-22-2019)
Truth Detector (01-22-2019)
Truth Detector (01-22-2019)
Moron thinks Pelosi and Schumer aren't extorting a President.
Oooops:
From October 1 to October 17, 2013, the United States federal government entered a shutdown and curtailed most routine operations because neither legislation appropriating funds for fiscal year 2014 nor a continuing resolution for the interim authorization of appropriations for fiscal year 2014 was enacted in time. Regular government operations resumed October 17 after an interim appropriations bill was signed into law.
During the shutdown, approximately 800,000 federal employees were indefinitely furloughed, and another 1.3 million were required to report to work without known payment dates. Only those government services deemed "excepted" under the Antideficiency Act were continued; and only those employees deemed "excepted" continued to report to work.[2] The previous U.S. federal government shutdown was in 1995–96.[3][4] The 16-day-long shutdown of October 2013 was the third-longest government shutdown in U.S. history, after the currently ongoing 2018–2019 shutdown and the 21-day 1995–96 shutdown.
A "funding-gap" was created when the two chambers of Congress failed to agree to an appropriations continuing resolution. The Republican-led House of Representatives, in part encouraged by conservative senators such as Ted Cruz[5] and conservative groups such as Heritage Action,[6][7][8] offered several continuing resolutions with language delaying or defunding the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (commonly known as "Obamacare"). The Democratic-led Senate passed several amended continuing resolutions for maintaining funding at then-current sequestration levels with no additional conditions. Political fights over this and other issues between the House on one side and President Barack Obama and the Senate on the other led to a budget impasse which threatened massive disruption.[9][10][11]
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
WRONG; the only one compromising is Trump. What you are seeing here are Democrats acting like whiny little children. The amount they refuse to fund is a trivial .0165% of the Federal Budget. If you are going to fall on your sword over that amount of money, NOTHING is negotiable so just shut the whole damned thing down.
Democrats are once again lowering the bar so low that it can never reset.
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
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