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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    The government is being (wink, wink) SHUTDOWN....not really, only those who are not necessary to the running of this nation are furloughed. After 30 days, Trump just might exercise his executive muscles and permanently FIRE those 300 thousand USELESS federal employees. Could be his plan all along. Just keep the dead weight on furlough as long as you want.....its a breath of fresh air. Think of the money that could be saved by permanently laying off these bureaucratic leeches. 300 thousand leeches for a wall. Good trade. Trump has 6 more years to build that wall......The left only has about 22 months to prove they are actually working FOR THE PEOPLE. 2020 is just around the corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Mexico has already PAID FOR THE WALL......there is a reduction of illegal crossings....Illegals cost the US taxpayer 116 Billion annually. Think about it. Trump has reduced that cost drastically. In reality: Mexico is paying for the wall. Only idiots can't see the forest for the trees. What? Did you expect Mexico to draft a check declaring, PAY TO THE ORDER OF THE WALL?
    "It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year,"

    Who said this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    ILA should understand about building walls between people, and it's standing in many a religion, before he discusses morals.
    Wonder if IHA thinks it's immoral to build walls keeping people in, like the Berlin Wall.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    You know she would have to tear down the immoral fences around her house right?
    There are no fences around her house.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post

    .Illegals cost the US taxpayer 116 Billion annually.
    That is a lot less then Trump is costing the American taxpayer. However, where is your source for that number?

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy...he-u-s-economy

    Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

    Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

    A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration “has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S.”

    How that breaks down is important.

    First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are “among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.,” the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.

    It is difficult to determine the exact cost or contribution of unauthorized immigrants because they are harder to survey, but the study suggests they likely have a more positive effect than their legal counterparts because they are, on average, younger and do not qualify for public benefits.

    It’s also important to note that less-educated immigrants tend to work more than people with the same level of education born in the U.S. About half of all U.S.-born Americans with no high school diploma work, compared to about 70 percent of immigrants with the same education level, Giovanni Peri, an economics professor at the University of California, Davis, said in a recent interview with PBS NewsHour.

    In general, more people working means more taxes — and that’s true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy
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    Quote Originally Posted by WisdomOfAges View Post
    Then YOU mus be thrilled ! and therefore willing to take into YOUR HOME 4 to 6 gate crashers....

    Welcome them with open arms and wallet....your neighbors will be THRILLED with your growing family....most are illiterate and don't speak English...so what ! oh, they will bring their wives,
    girlfriends and KIDS...so be prepared for QUICK EXPANSION....NO PROBLEM ! YOU HAVE plenty of room and MONEY and CONTACTS to help them...
    When has it ever been suggested that they need to be taken into our homes, or is that just the latest wingnut talking point?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    Is Truth Teen, meme bombing like a dingus again?
    You mean "still." He never does anything else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    The funds are there....ask you friendly neighborhood REPRESENTATIVE. The wall will be constructed if it takes the declaration of a National Emergency to direct the funds where they are needed.


    Its like the fake shutdown. After 30 days there is the possibility of these federal anchor babies being given their permanent PINK SLIP void of all the hassle required under normal conditions. If it can be proven that the Fed's can securely run the nation void of some 300 thousand USELESS bureaucrats they will be 300 thousand less employees of the federal government.
    "llegals cost the US taxpayer 116 Billion annually.".. Can you document that claim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourbon View Post
    Then YOU "personally" pay for it ... I'm NOT !

    I'm sure Trump can get his Fools to Pay for anything ...
    Yes you will, even if you don't want to.
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    WATCH: Donald Trump Says ‘Every Single Democrat in the US Senate Has Signed Up for…the Open Borders Bill’

    However the President’s supporters are repeating misinformation from Trump’s speech online as a rallying cry to get people to vote for Republicans in the upcoming 2018 midterm elections. Which was the point of the lie about a nonexistent Democrat sponsored Open Borders Bill. Donald Trump is pro


    https://secondnexus.com/news/trump-d...orders-bill/2/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    Is Truth Teen, meme bombing like a dingus again?
    He doesn't need to do that and wish he'd stop, but I can assure you he's way more intelligent than you, more travelled and worldly wise. Oh and he doesn't need his mummy to drive him either!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    When has it ever been suggested that they need to be taken into our homes, or is that just the latest wingnut talking point?
    Pretty sure you hope that they wind-up on someone else's property. It's kind of like how Seattle leftists are unaffected by all of the street junkies who walk through my backyard to get to the wetland where they hang out. It would please me greatly if the street junkies up in the city would start tearing through wealthy neighbourhoods and setting fire to houses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    That is a lot less then Trump is costing the American taxpayer. However, where is your source for that number?

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy...he-u-s-economy

    Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

    Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

    A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration “has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S.”

    How that breaks down is important.

    First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are “among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.,” the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.

    It is difficult to determine the exact cost or contribution of unauthorized immigrants because they are harder to survey, but the study suggests they likely have a more positive effect than their legal counterparts because they are, on average, younger and do not qualify for public benefits.

    It’s also important to note that less-educated immigrants tend to work more than people with the same level of education born in the U.S. About half of all U.S.-born Americans with no high school diploma work, compared to about 70 percent of immigrants with the same education level, Giovanni Peri, an economics professor at the University of California, Davis, said in a recent interview with PBS NewsHour.

    In general, more people working means more taxes — and that’s true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy
    https://fairus.org/issue/publication...ates-taxpayers

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    "llegals cost the US taxpayer 116 Billion annually.".. Can you document that claim?
    https://fairus.org/issue/publication...ates-taxpayers

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    Does FAIR advocate a wall?
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