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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    You aren't much of a human being, are you?
    And you are? You'd rather litter in a wildlife refuge for a piece of mind than help actual people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    You aren't much of a human being, are you?
    He's a Trumplicker. That's all we need to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    He's a Trumplicker. That's all we need to know.
    All you guys have done is applaud virtue signalling that helped absolutely no one, and pretend that you are better because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Life saving water is not littering.. They need to revisit this conviction.
    What if a tortoise chokes on those plastic bottles? Why do you hate wildlife?

    What's funny is, libs actually believe this was anything other than a political stunt.
    Every life matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    All you guys have done is applaud virtue signalling that helped absolutely no one, and pretend that you are better because of it.
    These dimwits think either/or .. all or nothing.. They can't see any choices between open borders and killing people. We have hit a new low with this Trump trash. Americans no longer aspire to be great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    These dimwits think either/or .. all or nothing.. They can't see any choices between open borders and killing people. We have hit a new low with this Trump trash. Americans no longer aspire to be great.
    You might want to go dump some food in the desert in case an illegal picks it up, because god forbid you do such a thing for your countrymen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    What if a tortoise chokes on those plastic bottles? Why do you hate wildlife?

    What's funny is, libs actually believe this was anything other than a political stunt.
    Tortoises don't choke on gallon jugs, you ass. Do you ever THINK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post

    The women were later charged with misdemeanor crimes. Prosecutors said they violated federal law by entering Cabeza Prieta, a protected 860,000-acre refuge, without a permit and leaving water and food there. A judge convicted them on Friday in the latest example of growing tension between aid workers and the U.S. Border Patrol.

    Aid workers say their humanitarian efforts, motivated by a deep sense of right and wrong, have been criminalized during the Trump administration’s crackdown on illegal border crossings. Federal officials say they were simply enforcing the law.

    The four women, all volunteers for the Arizona-based aid group No More Deaths, were convicted after a three-day bench trial at a federal court in Tucson. They could face up to six months in federal prison.

    Their trial coincided with a partial government shutdown that has now entered its 30th day, the longest in the country’s history. Negotiations have stalled as President Trump stands firm on his demand for $5.7 billion in border wall funding, citing a humanitarian and security crisis at the southern border.

    [As Trump pushes for a wall, authorities keep finding drug tunnels under the U.S.-Mexico border]

    In his verdict, U.S. Magistrate Judge Bernardo Velasco said the women’s actions violated “the national decision to maintain the Refuge in its pristine nature.” Velasco also said the women committed the crimes under the false belief that they would not be prosecuted and instead would simply be banned or fined.

    Catherine Gaffney, a volunteer for No More Deaths, said the guilty verdict challenges all “people of conscience throughout the country.”

    “If giving water to someone dying of thirst is illegal, what humanity is left in the law of this country?” she said in a statement.

    The criminal charges stem from an incident on Aug. 13, 2017, when a federal wildlife canine officer found the women’s pickup truck near Charlie Bell Pass, a historic site at Cabeza Prieta. Inside were water jugs, canned beans and several similar items. The officer spotted the women a few hours later. They admitted leaving food and water at the site, according to court records.

    [The border is tougher to cross than ever. But there’s still one way into America.]

    Natalie Hoffman, Oona Holcomb, Madeline Huse and Zaachila Orozco-McCormick were charged in December 2017. They said their work for No More Deaths was motivated by their religious convictions and a belief that everyone should have access to basic survival needs, according to court records.

    Federal prosecutors argued that the defendants should have been aware that leaving disposable items at the refuge is a punishable crime. During the trial last week, prosecutors said the women had admitted willingly violating federal law, the Arizona Republic reported.

    In court documents, prosecutors pointed to a conversation between representatives of No More Deaths and a refuge manager who said officials prefer to use rescue beacons to help stranded migrants because they result in “actual rescues.” Rescue beacons are scattered across the area for migrants to activate if they need help, officials said.

    No More Deaths said rescue beacons result in only a small number of rescues. The group also points to the number of migrants who have died trying to cross the vast desert terrain in the region. More than 3,000 migrant deaths have been reported between October 1999 and April 2018, according to data gathered by Humane Borders and the medical examiner’s office in Pima County, which covers part of Cabeza Prieta.

    During the trial, one of the women, Orozco-McCormick, likened being on the refuge to being in a graveyard because of the number of migrants who have died there, the Arizona Republic reported.

    The women are among several No More Deaths volunteers who are facing similar charges. Five others are scheduled for trial in February and March, the group said.

    One of them, Scott Warren, is also accused of alien smuggling, a felony charge that No More Deaths claims was a retaliation for the group’s activism. Last year, the group published footage showing Border Patrol agents kicking over water jugs left in the desert. One agent was seen emptying a gallon of water onto the ground. Warren was arrested shortly after the footage was published.

    A Border Patrol spokesman told The Washington Post earlier that the agency is not targeting the group and is simply enforcing immigration laws. Court records say Warren met with two Mexican natives at a building known as “the Barn,” in the town of Ajo, Ariz., near the Cabeza Prieta refuge, and gave them food and water.

    Warren’s attorney, Bill Walker, told the Arizona Republic last year that his client’s intention was to give food and medical care, not to smuggle migrants into the country.

    Amy B Wang contributed to this report.
    The JUDGES have their orders. Just like taking little kids away from their mommies.

    The PUNITIVE CLASS is NOT HAPPY unless they are beating down. Now, I guess dead bodies 'littering' the desert will be needed to give them pleasure.


    WK1 3/28-/4 _Cases 301k--Dead 18.1k Lethality 2.72%
    WK2 4/5-/13 _Cases 555k--Dead 22.1K Lethality 3.9%
    WK3 4/20-/21 Cases 774k -Dead 37.2K Lethality 4.8%
    WK4 4/22-/29 Cases 1M --Dead 58.8K Lethality 5.9%
    WK5 5/1-/8__ Cases 1.3M -Dead 75.7K Lethality 6.1%
    WK6 5/9-16__Cases 1.4M --Dead 85.8K Lethality 6.1%
    WK7 5/17-24_Cases 1.7M - Dead 97.6K Lethality 5.9%
    WK8 5/28 Cases 1.7M - DEAD 101.2K - Same

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Tortoises done choke on gallon jugs, you ass. Do you ever THINK?
    I was being sarcastic, but, a tortoise certainly could take a bite out of a plastic jug, or get it's head stuck in one. But of course, like everything else, libs only pretend to care about wildlife.

    This was a political stunt, nothing more, nothing less.
    Every life matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    All you guys have done is applaud virtue signalling that helped absolutely no one, and pretend that you are better because of it.
    We TRY!
    WK1 3/28-/4 _Cases 301k--Dead 18.1k Lethality 2.72%
    WK2 4/5-/13 _Cases 555k--Dead 22.1K Lethality 3.9%
    WK3 4/20-/21 Cases 774k -Dead 37.2K Lethality 4.8%
    WK4 4/22-/29 Cases 1M --Dead 58.8K Lethality 5.9%
    WK5 5/1-/8__ Cases 1.3M -Dead 75.7K Lethality 6.1%
    WK6 5/9-16__Cases 1.4M --Dead 85.8K Lethality 6.1%
    WK7 5/17-24_Cases 1.7M - Dead 97.6K Lethality 5.9%
    WK8 5/28 Cases 1.7M - DEAD 101.2K - Same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    All you guys have done is applaud virtue signalling that helped absolutely no one, and pretend that you are better because of it.
    LOL.. What is "virtue signaling"? Is that a trendy catch phrase for you Christians?
    He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    We TRY!
    The road to hell is paved in good intentions.
    The anti-Trumper's new mantra:

    “B-b-but muh White supremacy”

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I was being sarcastic, but, a tortoise certainly could take a bite out of a plastic jug, or get it's head stuck in one. But of course, like everything else, libs only pretend to care about wildlife.

    This was a political stunt, nothing more, nothing less.

    Don't be stupid.. I had a tortoise as a pet.. You truly are an ignoramus.
    He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    LOL.. What is "virtue signaling"? Is that a trendy catch phrase for you Christians?
    Nope. It means you guys like to pretend you're virtuous, but often times its used to disguise the ugly.

    Harvey Weinstein, for example, was anti-Trump, marched in the Woman's March, and started a foundation dedicated to women directors. Meanwhile, he was raping them. His marching, his anti-Trumpism, his woman's rights crap was all virtue-signalling.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    The road to hell is paved in good intentions.
    NO.. the road to hell is letting human beings die of thirst when you could do something about it. What is your orientation? Do you value human life? Do you think Americans are "exceptional".. or do you think we are so bloody impoverished that we reject our humanity and can't afford to help others?

    Are we THAT impoverished? Evidently Trump is..
    He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine

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