Fact Checking Whether ISIS Is 'Defeated'

[dukkha]

stick brains are fun!

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MOVE! THOSE!!GOALPOSTS!!!

I don't know what's more pathetic; the fact that you were wrong about ISIS, or the fact that you feel you have to shift goalposts on an anonymous message board just to save face.

"So, you remember when we said ISIS was defeated, well they are defeated if you accept our alternate definitions of 'ISIS' and 'defeated'."

What I want to address is why you feel compelled to move goalposts to provide cover for Donald Trump.

It takes a real fucking moron to do that...someone so stupid, they would be conned by a fat orange reality TV show host.

I'm sure the families of the four dead Americans from Tuesday are glad to hear ISIS has been defeated*.

(*defeated doesn't mean defeated, in this sense)

I'm sure the families of the two soldiers killed in an ISIS attack this past Tuesday are happy to know ISIS has been defeated*.

(*Defeated doesn't mean defeated in this sense, or any other sense)

Exhibit A of what I was talking about.

[dukkha]

You have to understand the mentally retarded state most liberals find themselves in. It has reduced them to pathological lying, delusional ranting and massive hypocrisy.

this particular ASS HAT blathers his screed all over the board like "Russian tax cuts".

He can't make a lucid argument so he relies on quantity...10,000 dumb ass posts are still dumb ass posts

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this particular ASS HAT blathers his screed all over the board like "Russian tax cuts".

He can't make a lucid argument so he relies on quantity...10,000 dumb ass posts are still dumb ass posts

He is trying to give Desh a run for her money in the mentally retarded category. Desh makes a little more sense however.

[dukkha]

love it!

"Russian Tax Cuts and "Goal post moves" what a putz

[katzgar]

The controversy over Pence’s remarks stems from a speech he gave earlier this week in which he said, “The caliphate has crumbled, and ISIS has been defeated” and that the U.S. would now “hand off the fight against ISIS in Syria to our coalition partners.”

Pence’s speech explicitly noted that “defeat” of ISIS would still entail a continued war against the insurgency.

Two years ago, CNN touted, “ISIS defeated in Raqqa” as “major military operations” came to an end, despite “pockets of resistance” remaining. Iraq was declared “fully liberated” from ISIS, with the organization “defeated” in the country. ISIS was “in retreat” and “on the run” and U.S. efforts to “defeat the terror group on the battlefield” were seeing “significant … victories.”

At the same time, CNN took pains to argue that the credit was former President Obama’s, not President Trump’s. As the Syrian conflict has increasingly become Trump’s war, the outlet’s stance seems to have changed, running the headline this week “Fact Check: Has ISIS been defeated?”

Just what does it mean to “defeat” a terror organization?

The term “defeat” has specific military meaning. The U.S. Army’s Field Manual 3-09 defines “defeat” as when “an enemy force has temporarily or permanently lost the physical means or the will to fight” and is embodied by “mass surrenders, abandonment of positions, equipment and supplies, or retrograde operations.”

Such a definition would certainly fit ISIS’s loss of its caliphate and its degradation from a quasi-nation-state back into a traditional federated terror organization. Indeed, the Atlantic Council has previously used the term “territorial defeat” to describe the U.S. focus in Syria and said that such “defeat” would still leave an “insurgency” on the ground.

The Council on Foreign Relations similarly clarified the “military defeat” of ISIS would still leave an insurgency that could effect and inspire attacks. The Center for Strategic and International Studies offered that “defeating’ ISIL in [Iraq and Syria] is at best likely to defeat its ability to hold any territory” and that “new forms of terrorism will emerge even if ISIL is formally disbanded.” Even the 2003 United States National Strategy for Combating Terrorism clarifies that “victory against terrorism will not occur as a single, defining moment,” but rather a point “where the threat of terrorist attacks does not define our daily lives.”

Each of these definitions of “defeat” would appear to support Pence’s claim that ISIS had been “defeated” and that post-defeat there would still be a powerful insurgency left to fight.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ed_139222.html

Why do you support isis there still killing Americans

[dukkha]

He is trying to give Desh a run for her money in the mentally retarded category. Desh makes a little more sense however.

I think you are correct. the new board stick brain is!! WHAT'SHISFACE!!

[dukkha]

Why do you support isis there still killing Americans

uh oh ..here comes the runner up ditz

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Why do you support isis there still killing Americans

Why do you bloviate like a fucking moron all the time? Hey, look at the stock market lately shit-for-brains? Damn you are one dumb mother fucker.

[Bill]

The controversy over Pence’s remarks stems from a speech he gave earlier this week in which he said, “The caliphate has crumbled, and ISIS has been defeated” and that the U.S. would now “hand off the fight against ISIS in Syria to our coalition partners.”

Pence’s speech explicitly noted that “defeat” of ISIS would still entail a continued war against the insurgency.

Two years ago, CNN touted, “ISIS defeated in Raqqa” as “major military operations” came to an end, despite “pockets of resistance” remaining. Iraq was declared “fully liberated” from ISIS, with the organization “defeated” in the country. ISIS was “in retreat” and “on the run” and U.S. efforts to “defeat the terror group on the battlefield” were seeing “significant … victories.”

At the same time, CNN took pains to argue that the credit was former President Obama’s, not President Trump’s. As the Syrian conflict has increasingly become Trump’s war, the outlet’s stance seems to have changed, running the headline this week “Fact Check: Has ISIS been defeated?”

Just what does it mean to “defeat” a terror organization?

The term “defeat” has specific military meaning. The U.S. Army’s Field Manual 3-09 defines “defeat” as when “an enemy force has temporarily or permanently lost the physical means or the will to fight” and is embodied by “mass surrenders, abandonment of positions, equipment and supplies, or retrograde operations.”

Such a definition would certainly fit ISIS’s loss of its caliphate and its degradation from a quasi-nation-state back into a traditional federated terror organization. Indeed, the Atlantic Council has previously used the term “territorial defeat” to describe the U.S. focus in Syria and said that such “defeat” would still leave an “insurgency” on the ground.

The Council on Foreign Relations similarly clarified the “military defeat” of ISIS would still leave an insurgency that could effect and inspire attacks. The Center for Strategic and International Studies offered that “defeating’ ISIL in [Iraq and Syria] is at best likely to defeat its ability to hold any territory” and that “new forms of terrorism will emerge even if ISIL is formally disbanded.” Even the 2003 United States National Strategy for Combating Terrorism clarifies that “victory against terrorism will not occur as a single, defining moment,” but rather a point “where the threat of terrorist attacks does not define our daily lives.”

Each of these definitions of “defeat” would appear to support Pence’s claim that ISIS had been “defeated” and that post-defeat there would still be a powerful insurgency left to fight.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ed_139222.html

Then I wonder why trump capitulated & did a 180, leaving the troops there??

[katzgar]

uh oh ..here comes the runner up ditz

so allowing isis to kill Americans is okay with you as long as it's what trump wants to do

[dukkha]

Then I wonder why trump capitulated & did a 180, leaving the troops there??

you wonder?
Do you wonder why Mattis RESIGNED over it? do you wonder that we have to be there to "check Iran/Russia"
(and you understand Syria is a Russian client state)

do you wonder why Lindsey Graham blamed trump for "signaling" ISIS inspired the suicide bomber?

C'mon Bill. The neocons and the neolibs ( like Obama in Libya and the current noise from Dems)
want us there FOREVER..

It's what they are..interventionists..

Trump had the idea. get in and get out, but he took a beating over it and folded.
Considering the entire foreign policy apparatus is full of interventionsist, it's a 'wonder' Trump
got the right idea to begin with

I think we are (hopefully) out in March....but ya never know

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Then I wonder why trump capitulated & did a 180, leaving the troops there??

How has he capitulated shit-for-brains? So now your FOR the US staying indefinitely without a mission? You're too stupid and upset to comprehend how pathetic you look.

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so allowing isis to kill Americans is okay with you as long as it's what trump wants to do

You are either on drugs, or truly a mental midget of immense proportions. Seriously, get help.

[katzgar]

Why do you bloviate like a fucking moron all the time? Hey, look at the stock market lately shit-for-brains? Damn you are one dumb mother fucker.

your assertion that the stock market will defeat ISIS is silly