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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    The drug cartel dug a tunnel over 2 miles long and came up in El Chapo's cell. They took him out of a Mexican super prison. Walls are no problem. The wall is a delusion, a show. Trump is a TV host. He knows show and knows illusion. He is also a conman who has fooled millions. Why you guys want to blow 100 million on a wall, I will never know? https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...l-myth-781204/ Some of the safest cities in America are on or near the border. They are not getting raped and murdered as Daffy says.
    a Mexican prison?? geee. do you THINK the guards were corrupt???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    No shit, Sherlock.

    The vast majority of the border is sparsely populated or totally UNpopulated sandy ground!!!

    What do you think they're gonna do, replace 2,000 miles of ground????

    Pour 2,000 miles of several feet deep concrete?

    How is a different version of what they dug under recently going to make any difference.

    At worst, they'd have to dig deeper.

    Do you think they wouldn't?
    I'm not going to waste my times explaining how a contiguous barrier fees up border guards from chasing across the desert/river to being able to man watch towers.
    OR
    the fact that a barrier means cameras along it ans so forth..

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    I'm not going to waste my times explaining how a contiguous barrier fees up border guards from chasing across the desert/river to being able to man watch towers.
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    the fact that a barrier means cameras along it ans so forth..
    I'm not going to waste my time explaining how you'd still need border agents located all along the 2,000 mile length as well as agents monitoring the cameras 24/7/365 in order to catch people who could still dig tunnels from the Mexican side because our agents are powerless to stop them if they aren't on US soil.

    Cameras? One shot from a rifle would put one out of commission permenantly. Assuming the cameras would be mounted high enough above the wall to be able to see both sides, what's to stop someone from driving along a stretch of wall, shooting out camera after camera after camera, leaving large stretches of wall unmonitored?

    There are so many ways enterprising, motivated people who are dead set on poking holes in our supposed security barrier, you couldn't count or predict them all.

    In order for a border wall to be successful, you'd have to adopt the model of the Berlin Wall...

    Armed guard towers along the entire length so close that visual contact is never interrupted and guards with orders to shoot on sight.

    I know that's what right-wingers would love to see, but even under Trump we haven't sunk that low.

    Yet.
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    Noise is winning this one hands down. Then again the competition is a bit on the retarded side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    yea right, It's not the money they are so protecting, it's any hope of defeating trump, which is kind of stupid anyway,
    Trumps base is solid, it is apparent to them that Trump is not the reason there is no wall

    and if I was to start a thread on how the wall won't work, I would at least get a basic understanding of the designs being proposed
    Can't win a national election with just his base, and in the midterms he had to work hard just to save his base

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    I'm not going to waste my times explaining how a contiguous barrier fees up border guards from chasing across the desert/river to being able to man watch towers.
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    the fact that a barrier means cameras along it ans so forth..
    That is one of the problems with you conservatives, you keep interchanging Trump's "big, beautiful, tremendous, thirty foot high, reinforced concrete Watt" with "barriers," Trump never promised "barriers" when he was campaigning, nor did he say he would be proud to own a shutdown over "barriers," and it is not "barriers" that Democrats won't accept, it is the "big, beautiful, tremendous, thirty foot high, reinforced concrete Wall"

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    That is one of the problems with you conservatives, you keep interchanging Trump's "big, beautiful, tremendous, thirty foot high, reinforced concrete Watt" with "barriers," Trump never promised "barriers" when he was campaigning, nor did he say he would be proud to own a shutdown over "barriers," and it is not "barriers" that Democrats won't accept, it is the "big, beautiful, tremendous, thirty foot high, reinforced concrete Wall"
    And Mexico is going to pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Here's an idea.... let's piss away billions of taxpayer dollars just so Trump can brag to his idiot base that he kept his biggest campaign promise, while undocumented immigrants still pour underneath it via tunnels, hundreds at a time.



    Largest single group of migrants ever tunnels under border wall: CBP
    By Matt Gutman
    SAN LUIS, Ariz. — Jan 18, 2019, 10:54 AM ET

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/larges...ry?id=60462672



    The largest single group of asylum seekers ever to cross into the U.S. tunneled beneath the border wall near San Luis, Arizona, on Monday, voluntarily turning themselves into Customs and Border Protection, according to the agency.

    Migrants can be seen marching toward Border Patrol agents by the hundreds, according to video obtained by ABC News. Smugglers dug a series of seven holes, only a few feet long beneath the steel border fence, with hundreds going beneath the wall and a smaller number clambering over it, according to CBP.

    The fresh sand and scuff marks of shoes on the rusty steel were still there when ABC News visited the site on Thursday.

    The agency says 179 of the record 376 people who crossed were children, including over 30 unaccompanied minors -- children under 18 traveling on their own.

    The overall number of unauthorized crossings has plummeted since its peak in the 2001, when CBP logged about 1.6 million apprehensions, according to government statistics. However, the demography of those crossing has changed dramatically.

    Parents with children now comprise over 80 percent of the total apprehensions of those crossing the 2,000-mile long border with Mexico. The vast majority of them, like the group near Yuma Monday, surrender immediately or seek out Border Patrol agents in order to begin the asylum process.

    CBP Yuma Border Sector Chief Anthony Porvaznik said his unit needs better border barriers, but more urgently it needs funding to provide for these families.

    "That's our No. 1 challenge that we have here in the Yuma sector, is the humanitarian problem," Porvaznik said. "As I mentioned, 87 percent of the apprehensions here are family units and unaccompanied alien children."

    The mass crossing this week took place in a sparsely populated stretch of the border -- where an old model of border barrier rises about 12 feet from the sandy ground. The stretched agency only had three agents patrolling that 26-mile-long section of the border.

    It took hours to process the families, most of which were sent to the area’s chronically overcrowded central processing center in Yuma.

    "In my 30 years with the Border Patrol, I have not been part of arresting a group of 376 people," Porvaznik said. "That's really unheard of."

    On Thursday, hundreds of asylum seekers were being held in cinderblock cells with thick glass windows that overlooked a central bullpen where CBP agents worked to process them and provide humanitarian needs. The asylum seekers were separated into cells: fathers with sons, fathers with daughters, unaccompanied minors and mothers with children.

    As in all such facilities, the CBP said it works to process them as quickly as possible, and provides basic medical care. Still, detainees eat, sleep and use the bathroom in the same room. Scraps of food mingled with silvery space blankets on the floor. In one cell, several boys had balled up the blankets into a makeshift soccer ball they were kicking around.

    One man in the group said he left Guatemala eight days ago and made most of the trip by bus along with his 12-year-old daughter. They were planning to leave the processing center destined for San Diego -- plane ticket in hand.

    The father said he saved about $5,000 to pay a coyote to quickly get them to the border. He left a wife and two younger daughters back in Guatemala. Next to them were a mother and two daughters on their way to Cincinnati, also from Guatemala. They too traveled by bus and the journey took about eight days.

    Just two days after the group tunneled under the border wall in Yuma, the Border Patrol took in another huge group of migrants in New Mexico. The 247-person group, including unaccompanied minors, crossed near the Antelope Wells Port of Entry and immediately surrendered to authorities for processing.

    The CBP said 24 large groups -- quantified as 100 or more -- have crossed the border near Lordsburg, New Mexico, just since Oct. 1, 2018.
    Did you miss the reports, where it was an older section that did not have concrete footings or were you just hoping that no one would bring that part up??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    The drug cartel dug a tunnel over 2 miles long and came up in El Chapo's cell. They took him out of a Mexican super prison. Walls are no problem. The wall is a delusion, a show. Trump is a TV host. He knows show and knows illusion. He is also a conman who has fooled millions. Why you guys want to blow 100 million on a wall, I will never know? https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...l-myth-781204/ Some of the safest cities in America are on or near the border. They are not getting raped and murdered as Daffy says.
    You failed to include that this was accomplished IN Mexico and was found to be in collusion with several Prison Guards, so what was you point??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    I'm not going to waste my time explaining how you'd still need border agents located all along the 2,000 mile length as well as agents monitoring the cameras 24/7/365 in order to catch people who could still dig tunnels from the Mexican side because our agents are powerless to stop them if they aren't on US soil.

    Cameras? One shot from a rifle would put one out of commission permenantly. Assuming the cameras would be mounted high enough above the wall to be able to see both sides, what's to stop someone from driving along a stretch of wall, shooting out camera after camera after camera, leaving large stretches of wall unmonitored?

    There are so many ways enterprising, motivated people who are dead set on poking holes in our supposed security barrier, you couldn't count or predict them all.

    In order for a border wall to be successful, you'd have to adopt the model of the Berlin Wall...

    Armed guard towers along the entire length so close that visual contact is never interrupted and guards with orders to shoot on sight.

    I know that's what right-wingers would love to see, but even under Trump we haven't sunk that low.

    Yet.
    Sounds like you've put a lot of thought, in how to continue your "coyote" job.

    Maybe the Feds would be interested in your "suggestions"!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Tell us again about how secure a wall would be, Trumptards....
    Answer: Significantly more secure than a patch of level ground.



    ^^^A bunch of illegals sneaking in with no wall.



    ^^^Illegals stuck on the other side of the wall, not sneaking in.

    Got it, No nads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    Did you miss the reports, where it was an older section that did not have concrete footings or were you just hoping that no one would bring that part up??
    With these retards, frankly it could go either way. Yes they are that stupid, but oftentimes they're just lying. Six of one half a dozen of the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    Did you miss the reports, where it was an older section that did not have concrete footings or were you just hoping that no one would bring that part up??
    Did you miss the reports where it said that Trump has abandoned the idea of a concrete wall in favor of a steel barrier?

    Do you think they're going to pour 2,000 miles of solid, continuous concrete footer underneath a steel slat barrier?

    If you do, you're an idiot.

    The concrete footers will only be located beneath the vertical posts that divide the sections.

    IOW, they'll still be able to tunnel underneath it.

    Or were you just hoping no one would figure that out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    Sounds like you've put a lot of thought, in how to continue your "coyote" job.

    Maybe the Feds would be interested in your "suggestions"!!
    Feel free to pass them on along if you want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    Answer: Significantly more secure than a patch of level ground.



    ^^^A bunch of illegals sneaking in with no wall.



    ^^^Illegals stuck on the other side of the wall, not sneaking in.

    Got it, No nads?
    There is a term known as "cost/benefit ratio".

    You should look it up and ponder it until it's meaning begins to slowly sink in.

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