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    It is consumerism not capitalism that is the problem. Instead of maximizing their wealth, people maximize their things. To get the most things for a buck, they use the internet to look for the cheapest price on these things which then feeds into a whole spiraling situation regarding velocity and pooling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    because it has not been properly fettered

    without capitalism you cant have true freedom


    IT HAS TO BE PROPERLY FETTERED
    Capitalism can't ever be properly fettered because it's nature leads to a situation where the people making the rules are the super rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    It is consumerism not capitalism that is the problem. Instead of maximizing their wealth, people maximize their things. To get the most things for a buck, they use the internet to look for the cheapest price on these things which then feeds into a whole spiraling situation regarding velocity and pooling.
    People have to look for the cheapest price because Capitalism creates a society where most people don't have enough disposable income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    People have to look for the cheapest price because Capitalism creates a society where most people don't have enough disposable income.
    People don't have enough disposable income because cheapskate people want to cut everybody's throat to save themselves a nickel.

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    Hello StoneByStone,

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    I presume he obviously can see that while he was able to get very rich by basically juggling numbers, and that many others worked very hard to do hands-on productive contributions to society and are left with very little, that capitalism is really not structured very well to reward the things that make society function.

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    "Dalio points to a survey by the Federal Reserve showing that 40 percent of adults can't come up with $400 in the case of an emergency. "It gives you an idea of what the polarity is," Dalio said. "That's a real world. That's an issue."

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    "We're in a situation where, if you have a downturn, and we will have a downturn, I believe that — I worry that that polarity will become greater."

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    "Dalio said that the President of the United States should declare the current wealth gap a national emergency."

    He's right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    People don't have enough disposable income because cheapskate people want to cut everybody's throat to save themselves a nickel.
    That's what happens when you have an economic system like Capitalism. Life becomes all about making money to survive for 99% of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    That's what happens when you have an economic system like Capitalism. Life becomes all about making money to survive for 99% of the population.
    Oh, we can still have capitalism, but it needs to be heavily regulated by government, and mixed with the proper amount of socialism.

    Now THERE'S a recipe for a great economy that Promotes the General Welfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Yet extreme poverty continues to decline, life-spans continue to grow bigger, and the quality of everyone's lives continues to get better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello StoneByStone,

    I presume he obviously can see that while he was able to get very rich by basically juggling numbers, and that many others worked very hard to do hands-on productive contributions to society and are left with very little, that capitalism is really not structured very well to reward the things that make society function.
    Yeah, that's the problem with a society based on what makes profit. Some very essential jobs don't pay well. In addition to that, sometimes the most profitable actions are ones that harm other people.
    And there are also issues like Capitalism leading to an unbalanced playing field, creating a stagnant economy due to wealth being concentrated, the 1% being too powerful, and on and on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    That's what happens when you have an economic system like Capitalism. Life becomes all about making money to survive for 99% of the population.
    It is no different under socialism. You have to pay outrageous taxes in most of the places and don't really own anything like your house. When 10,000 people buy 10,000 book from amazon, a bookstore somewhere dried up which gave 5-10 people pink slips which then created 5-10 people who would work for less just to have a job than 5 or 10 people who otherwise would have taken the job at 105% of the wage, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    Yet extreme poverty continues to decline, life-spans continue to grow bigger, and the quality of everyone's lives continues to get better.
    The overall living standards are improving everywhere. We could look at North Korea and say things have gotten better there, dictatorships must be great.
    To know what works, we need to compare countries, and examine individual issues. I would say that America's living standards would grow faster with Liberal Socialism.

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    Howdy Heff,

    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    Yet extreme poverty continues to decline, life-spans continue to grow bigger, and the quality of everyone's lives continues to get better.
    Socialism built that. You really think poverty would be on the decline without the government safety net?
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    The wealth gap is worse now than during the Gilded Age. It is accomplished through tax breaks and laws that permit them to cheat. Holding the min. wage down for so long added to the problem. The wealthy used their money and power to continuously erode the structures that kept America from being a klepocracy. Nothing wong with capitalism that a lot of serious regiulation and laws cannot fix.

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