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Thread: Reagan Made America Hate Government. And Thus, He Made Americans Hate Themselves.

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    Hello Evmetro,

    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    It is great that you have thought all this out, and that you are passionate about it. I remain confident that a hungry government makes strong people, and that hungry people make a strong government. I also disapprove of being obligated to support capable but non productive people.
    And you apparently disapprove of helping some very productive people who are simply very productive at things that don't pay very well. Hey. It's not your fault that the poor are poor, right? So it must be THEIRS, right? It is so easy to feel no obligation to help, if the problem is none of your fault. I mean, who would want to be OBLIGATED to do the right thing? Well, nobody. If they don't already want to help the unfortunate on their own, certainly they would not want to be obligated to do it. But if they would want to help others on their own, it wouldn't matter, because they are already committed to helping others.

    It is naturally understandable that if someone does not want to obligated to helping others, then they are simply going to ignore any relationship between wealth redistribution and positive economic effects. I mention it, but you don't comment on it. I think I know why. You're happy with deficit-spending to boost the economy. Sort of an instant-gratification, who-cares-about-the-future kind of a thing, but I get it. And I disagree. It is irresponsible to try to rev up an already-strong economy with deficit spending. A strong economy is when you need to try to pay down the debt.

    So really, by being obligated to help others, we help ourselves by making the economy sustainably strong, able to pay down the federal debt, help others, and help ourselves with more business from a strong economy. It is a win-win. A good deal is always win-win.

    This is part of the total being greater than the sum of the parts thing. We all really want to help, but only if we know everybody else is, too. We don't want to be the only one, or one of the few only helping a little. But if everybody has to do it, then it is automatically covered. And it actually helps the economy because those poor people spend everything they get. They have to. And we all get the sense of giving. Opening up our hearts. Like Christmas, you know? Think of it as Christmas all year. And it doesn't really hurt that much. Like I say. Taxing never made a rich man poor.

    Yes, I have given the matter a great deal of thought, which is why my thinking cannot be summed up into an oft-repeated over simplified sound-byte.
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    he is hate


    hate is not reasonable


    hate is not compassionate

    some people open their eyes every day and dont feel anything for others

    its brain wiring

    Its not really their fault but the fact is they are broken human beings

    they can not be trusted to help mankind survive and move forward


    they are just a burden in the rest of us


    Fortunately for them the ranks of those who care far outnumbers them and we will accept the burden they represent and help them as needed



    this is why democracy works


    mankind is mostly good even if they are not



    their kind are those who began cheating in American elections because they could not convince people to be evil to each other


    they amassed huge piles of green paper because they NEVER feel compelled to do the correct thing for mankind

    they merely place personal gain over other humans


    Its time to end their game and take the playing field back for the decent people



    part of that means letting these broken people know that we know they are broken and that their "ideas" are a product of a broken mind


    they can think what they will but the rest of mankind will throw their ideas in the trash


    their ideas are the ramblings of incomplete human minds


    they can vote

    they can participate


    but their ideas will never have the respect that fully functioning human minds ideas


    make the arguments they make and you will be instantly recognized as a broken mind


    they have failed ideas that don't work EVERY TIME they are tried

    ONLY a broken mind would try to thrust such ideas forward

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Reagan made America hate again.
    Your OP is just a rambling mess it made me wonder if your account had been hacked. Reagan did not make people hate government. Quite the opposite. His militarism implicitly praised the government as the one who could make you safe from things that go bump in the night. He just wasn't fond of the parts of government that democrats heart the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Evmetro,



    And you apparently disapprove of helping some very productive people who are simply very productive at things that don't pay very well. Hey. It's not your fault that the poor are poor, right? So it must be THEIRS, right? It is so easy to feel no obligation to help, if the problem is none of your fault....
    I enjoy donating to the needy, but I don't enjoy being forced to help anybody. I am for our country having a safety net, but I do not trust the government to manage it. Even Churches have trouble managing their safety nets, but they do a better job than government.

    I do not like to see mankind suffer, but I do like for people to be familiar with the uncomfortable feeling in the tummy when it does not get fed enough. This uncomfortable feeling that comes from not having enough to eat provides a beautiful and natural motivation to be productive. A good safety net needs to be able to sort out the ones who can be productive from those who can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Your OP is just a rambling mess it made me wonder if your account had been hacked.
    Not at all. Just a few thoughts that occurred to me. If you want professional journalism then go to the main stream media.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Reagan did not make people hate government. Quite the opposite. His militarism implicitly praised the government as the one who could make you safe from things that go bump in the night.
    He made hating the government cool.

    That was the act of a fool.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    He just wasn't fond of the parts of government that democrats heart the most.
    He said government itself was the problem. He lured America into self-hatred. He pretended that government was some kind of evil monster that has to be kept at bay or it will get too big and consume you. Guess what. We are all part of it already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    He pretended that government was some kind of evil monster that has to be kept at bay or it will get too big and consume you.

    That's the Reagan I loved! The gubmint is a big evil monster right now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    I enjoy donating to the needy, but I don't enjoy being forced to help anybody. I am for our country having a safety net, but I do not trust the government to manage it. Even Churches have trouble managing their safety nets, but they do a better job than government.

    I do not like to see mankind suffer, but I do like for people to be familiar with the uncomfortable feeling in the tummy when it does not get fed enough. This uncomfortable feeling that comes from not having enough to eat provides a beautiful and natural motivation to be productive. A good safety net needs to be able to sort out the ones who can be productive from those who can't.
    Your view seems to overlook the fact that there are people working full time who can't earn enough to have a place of their own and feed their kids. But it is good to know you'd like to help the obviously needy. Actually I think welfare fraud is fairly low. At least according to the BLS that is. Whenever we can get that opened back up again, anyway. It is nice to know the things that we can only know when the government is open. We are now finding out everything government does for us, now that we are missing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Your view seems to overlook the fact that there are people working full time who can't earn enough to have a place of their own and feed their kids. But it is good to know you'd like to help the obviously needy. Actually I think welfare fraud is fairly low. At least according to the BLS that is. Whenever we can get that opened back up again, anyway. It is nice to know the things that we can only know when the government is open. We are now finding out everything government does for us, now that we are missing it.
    I'm not missing anything. I want a deeper and longer shutdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    I'm not missing anything. I want a deeper and longer shutdown.
    And you think welfare fraud is a big problem, I know. And it won't bother you a bit if this shutdown begins to affect the safety net.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    I enjoy donating to the needy, but I don't enjoy being forced to help anybody. I am for our country having a safety net, but I do not trust the government to manage it. Even Churches have trouble managing their safety nets, but they do a better job than government.

    I do not like to see mankind suffer, but I do like for people to be familiar with the uncomfortable feeling in the tummy when it does not get fed enough. This uncomfortable feeling that comes from not having enough to eat provides a beautiful and natural motivation to be productive. A good safety net needs to be able to sort out the ones who can be productive from those who can't.
    the ramblings of a broken mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Your OP is just a rambling mess it made me wonder if your account had been hacked. Reagan did not make people hate government. Quite the opposite. His militarism implicitly praised the government as the one who could make you safe from things that go bump in the night. He just wasn't fond of the parts of government that democrats heart the most.
    Just admit you do not know his stance and we will all be better off. He was the first president to make those anti-government statements. Remember the "In this present crisis, the government is not the solution to our problem, the government is the problem.? He went after Welfare with the lying fake Welfare Queen meme he used so often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Not at all. Just a few thoughts that occurred to me. If you want professional journalism then go to the main stream media.



    He made hating the government cool.

    That was the act of a fool.



    He said government itself was the problem. He lured America into self-hatred. He pretended that government was some kind of evil monster that has to be kept at bay or it will get too big and consume you. Guess what. We are all part of it already.
    If you hate yourself that has nothing to do with Reagan. After the 70's oil crisis, the iranian hostage debacle, and double digit interest rates, I am pretty sure most voting adults had their fill of the government well before reagan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    And you think welfare fraud is a big problem, I know. And it won't bother you a bit if this shutdown begins to affect the safety net.
    We still have churches and people with kind hearts as a safety net. It is probably time to dismantle and destroy the safety net, since dependence breeds resentment. Too many people exploiting the safety net.
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