Oneuli (01-17-2019)
I appreciate that you are still putting some effort into being objective and neutral. The concept and craftsmanship of your opening essay has merit, but there is still too much conflict for the comparison to work. Both sides of the aisle remain too subjective to do this. Each side sees the other's president and administration as more dishonest than their own. If this thread was on the APP forum, it would have a better chance at genuine objective consideration, but probably would make it anyway. I despise you for being on the other side of the aisle, but I do enjoy your essays. You are one of the few lefties here who brings anything worthwhile to the table for debate. Thanks.
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Oneuli (01-17-2019)
This false equivalency thing that says, "Democrats do to Republican what Republicans do to Democrats" is probably at the heart of why so many American conservatives think the media is terribly biased to the left.
The comments you have made about how the Republicans would be handling matters if the positions were reversed right now, Oneuli, hit the nail squarely on its head.
There is no doubt there is spinning (and plenty of it) from BOTH sides of the aisle (I am not denying that)...but ANYONE who think the Democrats or liberals do the kinds of things regularly done by the Republicans or American conservatives...is simply not looking at things objectively.
Yes! OBJECTIVITY on this matter demands that there is nowhere near equivalency...and that any equivalency perceived is false equivalency.
That leads to: What American conservatives perceive as FAKE NEWS or left-leaning bias in the MSM...is, for the most part, merely the MSM reporting the truth.
CharacterAssassin (01-18-2019), Oneuli (01-17-2019)
You are subjectively objective.
Ya know... All righties were once lefties. We were born as little lefties who screamed and cried for that tit or bottle, and it took years for us to become civilized. It is important to consider that since righties were once lefties, we know what it is like to be a lefty from first hand memories and knowledge. This is important, because it means that righties can actually evaluate things from both a lefty perspective, AND a righty perspective. Lefties, on the other hand, have never been righties, which means that they can only process things with lefty thoughts. Lefties cannot think like righties, but righties CAN think like lefties.
Frankly frank, you simply cannot be objective as a lefty. The best you can do is to speculate what righties think, but you can only speculate with exclusively lefty thoughts. You see and process the world though a lefty lens, so you cannot see what the rest of us see without the lefty lens that you are limited to. You can only be subjectively objective. Thanks for trying though.
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You are full of shit, Evmetro.
There was a time in my life where I was as "righty" as one could be. There was a time when I distinctly remember giving a spirited defense of Senator Joseph Mc Carthy to a group of people who were castigating him...and his tactics. (Yeah, I cringe in regret and embarrassment at that recollection.)
I was too young to vote for Dwight Eisenhower, but had I been old enough, I undoubtedly would have voted for him.
I voted for Ronald Reagan the first time he ran.
Any thoughts you have that assholes American conservatives like you are able to view issues from both sides, but that people who advocate for a progressive agenda cannot...is so ludicrous I am amazed even a moron like you is not laughing at them. The fact that you think YOU are "objective" in what you post here...is even more laughable.
Lastly, you are full of shit, Evmetro.
Reread. As you presumably know, there was an attack just hours earlier on our Cairo embassy keyed to the outrage following Egyptian media coverage of the anti-Muslim video. So, it makes sense that initially people thought the attack on our diplomatic facility in Benghazi wasn't just coincidentally timed, but instead was also linked to that outrage. But, wingnuts needed some sort of scandal, and so they pretended that it was unreasonable to make such an assumption.... and further, that the administration deliberately got that detail wrong for some reason. But the point here is that even if the right-wing conspiracy theory were true, and the administration had mentioned a role for the video even though they internally doubted it had a role, that kind of false communication about an irrelevant contextual detail simply wouldn't justify a four-year-long witch hunt, like the one the GOP ran based on it. As you know, we could list dozens of examples of deliberate lies about fairly inconsequential things in Trump administration communications, right off the top of our heads, and the Democrats never turn those into Benghazi-style witch hunts.
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Frank Apisa (01-18-2019)
This never happened. We are all born as little commies. When feral humans are brought into the world, commie is our natural state. Our mental evolution only goes to the right as we become more civilized, and we don't devolve mentally unless we become injured or very old. Commies are not to blame for their uncivilized condition, they just haven't learned to be civilized. Once you become a righty, you don't just devolve back to being the commie you once were. There are plenty of commies who call themselves Repubs, Libertarians, and conservatives, but that doesn't change who they really are.
Frankly Fran, it is not worth it for you to try processing what I am talking about, since you can only process this debate with lefty thoughts. I still have access to my own inner commie thoughts like yours, but I also have access to righty thoughts that you don't have. You cannot see the significance of these implications.
The Truth Does Not Need To Be Supported With Censorship.
If you are saying I am lying about anything I wrote...YOU CAN GO FUCK YOURSELF.
The only way anyone goes to the American right at this point in time, is by subscribing to the disgusting American conservative mantra, "I've got mine, fuck everyone else."We are all born as little commies. When feral humans are brought into the world, commie is our natural state. Our mental evolution only goes to the right as we become more civilized, and we don't devolve mentally unless we become injured or very old.
If you are trying to convince me you are at that point...don't bother. I accept it without question. .
You can speak with some communists about that. I am not a communist.Commies are not to blame for their uncivilized condition, they just haven't learned to be civilized. Once you become a righty, you don't just devolve back to being the commie you once were. There are plenty of commies who call themselves Repubs, Libertarians, and conservatives, but that doesn't change who they really are.
Fuck you very much for that thought...but you wrong.Frankly Fran, it is not worth it for you to try processing what I am talking about, since you can only process this debate with lefty thoughts.
I can see that you are full of shit. That apparently is something you do not realize...or are not acknowledging as significant to our present conversation.I still have access to my own inner commie thoughts like yours, but I also have access to righty thoughts that you don't have. You cannot see the significance of these implications.
The significance of that is more important than any perceived significance you see in your imaginary, "...you can only process this debate with lefty thoughts"...to which I say, once again, FUCK YOU.
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