Frank Apisa (01-15-2019)
“If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.”
— Golda Meir
Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.
“If Hamas put down their weapons, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons, there would be no Israel."
ברוך השם
Frank Apisa (01-15-2019)
Only since Ezra.. after the Babylonian exile.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezra-Chapter-10/
Last edited by kudzu; 01-15-2019 at 06:39 PM.
He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine
It is not about punishment. That's a spin word. That's propaganda. The purpose of taxation is not punishment. Calling taxes 'punishment' is propaganda from the greedy rich who want lower taxes. Nobody is being punished. We are talking about the richest people who live in luxury. The appropriate taxation will not change that. They will still have their lives of gaudy displays of wealth, gold, marble, diamonds, expensive toys, priceless art, big fortunes, etc.
Maybe we need to pay legislators a heck of a lot more money. LOTS OF MONEY. REALLY HIGH SALARIES.
Why would we do that?
Maybe if we did that we would
a) Get a higher caliber of worker, and
b) People would care a heck of a lot more about being informed, voting, and participating in Democracy. And
c) It would be a lot harder for big money interests to buy off our legislators.
So you think if tycoons had to pay higher taxes they wouldn't bother to get rich? Higher taxes are not going to make them less competitive if every business had to pay them. And they can't really pay people any less if they want to get the job done with minimal waste. So they would not be able to pass that along in pricing and wage cuts. They would just have to eat it. And you know? That would be just fine. Executives were richer than everybody else back in the 60's when they made 10-15 times what their average worker did and they paid 70-90% income tax. Now they make, like 600 times the average pay? That's ridiculous and excessive. They can afford a lot more tax without so much as a bother.
They were still rich because those tax rates didn't apply to every dollar they made. They pay the same as everybody else on the amount that equals what everybody else makes. They only paid the higher rate on the amounts OVER what others make. That way, taxing never makes a rich man poor. He ALWAYS has more than others, as it should be. And our country gets enough revenue to balance the budget and do great things like build interstates and go to the moon. Now that taxing is so low we can't even balance the budget, any thought of bigger projects like upgrading the interstates is out of the question. We've got bridges falling down. What a crime how rich the super-rich have become as our nation goes downhill and deeper in debt. What poor management of government! There's the Republicans for ya.
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kudzu (01-15-2019)
Nope.. Look at Abraham and Keturah, Moses and Zipporah, Boaz and Ruth.. Solomon and David both had many foreign wives. When they returned from the exile in Babylon Ezra told them to divorce their foreign wives and abandon the children of those unions.. Some refused and that began a diaspora.
Try Ezra 10:44.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezra-Chapter-10/
Last edited by kudzu; 01-15-2019 at 06:41 PM.
He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine
My dad has since become a fairly militant atheist, my mom still goes to church and drives my grandmother to church. Honestly I didn't have perspective outside Southern Baptist, I just knew what other types of Christianity practiced through media and the like. I never noticed much emphasis on Revelations, though the idea of Jerusalem being a key part does ring a bell.
Of course my church was overwhelmingly white, most people dressed up. It was a step under a mega church, I'd just call it a relatively wealthy church. Baptism was the big thing (surprise), my particular church had a special baptism pool high up on the back wall behind the pulpit/choir area. Communion was a thing, though rarely, and with grape juice, not wine. There were youth trips, a gymnasium, Christmas cantatas, Vacation Bible School.
My family (mom's side) in particular had always been very prudish, nobody used words worse than "crap" in front of each other. Eventually you realize it's a facade, and everyone just wants to look good, not quite "holier than thou" but just kind of no one wants to seem worse than someone else. This past Christmas was the first time my family drank wine in front of each other. My mother asked me what it tastes like with a very disappointed look on her face, which is funny because my dad told me she used to like wine coolers back in the day.
Being at the church long enough, you begin to understand it's like that for everyone. No one wants to crack the glass exterior. Everyone gossips about everyone. Any conflicts just mean "well I'll just take my perfect family to the other church, on the other side of town!". This actually happened with my Aunt, my cousin was a drummer for the church and someone accused him of trying to steal HIS OWN kit from the stage on a day there was no service. So my Aunt's family went to another church.
I never hated anyone at the church, I just got to a certain age and realized it was all completely batshit.
kudzu (01-15-2019), PoliTalker (01-16-2019)
He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine
In the NT it is the Davidic lineage that is followed, not from Ezra. Matthew, in Matthew 1: 1-17 refers to the geneology of Jesus through the lineage of Joseph, and through Davids son Solomon. Luke follows Jesus lineage through Mary, Luke 3: 25-38, by Davids son Nathan. Both lines serve the purpose of satisfying prophecy for the Davidic requirement. Matthew starts with Abraham, while Luke begins with Adam. The lists are identical between Abraham and David, but differ radically from that point. Point being, until David ones lineage was determined by the fathers lineage. Why you are fixated on Ezra is beyond me.
"2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"
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