3rd DRUG (& PEOPLE) TUNNEL found under AZ border wall in a month...

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So they can spend a bunch of money, and time and effort and then we come along to collapse them.
Meanwhile illegals are not strolling across the border at the rate of almost 2000 a day

That's right, they're not.

There's no urgent need for the wall because there's no crisis.

You've been saying that there is one, now you're saying there isn't.

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platitudes don't cut it. we need a wall as a choke point and a physical barrier to stop the walk across

Those already exist.

[LV426]

That leaves tunnels and we find and destroy them ( which we are doing) and a greatly restricted flow at a much higher cost to the cartels

So since we're already doing that without this new wall, then there's no urgent need for it.

So thanks for undercutting your own argument.

Love the self-own.

Walls work worldwide.

No they don't.

Walls don't work, and never really have.

In the 1640's the Dutch built a big, beautiful wall in Lower New Amsterdam to keep the bad English hombres out.

In 1664, the English just sailed around the wall and took New Amsterdam from the other side.

New Amsterdam became New York.

The Dutch wall was torn down and replaced with a street.

That street is called Wall Street today.

[Adolf_Twitler]

If drones were stepped up to fully watch our border, there would never be much tunneling under the fence going on for very long, without a drone capturing the human activity on camera.

The Border patrol or D.E.A would easily pounce on the tunneling efforts and put a stop to it immediately!

This is not brain surgery people! We have the technology and government bodies to fix all the problems!

[dukkha]

So since we're already doing that without this new wall, then there's no urgent need for it.

So thanks for undercutting your own argument.

unbelievably stupid .
the problem is not tunnels - that's not where the mass illegal migration is coming across -
its' the open southern border.

No they don't.

Walls don't work, and never really have.

In the 1640's the Dutch built a big, beautiful wall in Lower New Amsterdam to keep the bad English hombres out.

In 1664, the English just sailed around the wall and took New Amsterdam from the other side.

New Amsterdam became New York.

The Dutch wall was torn down and replaced with a street.

That street is called Wall Street today.

do castle walls work? of course they do.
But you are using a red herring of military fortifications ( Maginot line /Great Wall of China)
they can be maneuvered around by military forces.

Guatemala dirt farmers can't do that - they can only caravan to our border- the more walls we put up
the less their ability to go around them, unlike a military can

[dukkha]

Those already exist.

piecemeal barriers are only effective where they are- and yes they are effective where they are.

[LV426]

unbelievably stupid .
the problem is not tunnels - that's not where the mass illegal migration is coming across -
its' the open southern border.

There are not massive numbers coming across the Southern border.

Border apprehensions along the Southern border are at an all-time low, and are 1/3 of what they were at their peak in 2006.

The fact is that immigration across the border has slowed, and it's slowed to almost exclusively asylum seekers.

So there's no urgent need for a wall. You're trying to pretend there is for the sole fact that you don't want to admit you got conned into thinking there was one.

[LV426]

do castle walls work? of course they do.

No, they don't work.

See: Trojan War.

See: Edinburgh Castle.

[LV426]

But you are using a red herring of military fortifications ( Maginot line /Great Wall of China)

Neither the Maginot Line or the Great Wall worked.

[LV426]

But you are using a red herring of military fortifications ( Maginot line /Great Wall of China) they can be maneuvered around by military forces.

So if a military can walk around a wall, why can't a regular person?

Guatemala dirt farmers can't do that - they can only caravan to our border- the more walls we put up

When they come here as part of the caravan, they are coming with the intent of turning themselves in so they can declare asylum.

And they're legally allowed to do that.

So thanks for proving my point; the wall isn't meant to stop illegal immigration, it's meant to stop brown people from coming here to declare asylum because you're a racist piece of shit.

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the less their ability to go around them, unlike a military can

When the caravan folks come, they're coming with the intent of surrendering to authorities the moment they cross the border. That's how asylum works. They're not coming here to sneak into the country, they're coming with the intention of being caught so they can apply for asylum.

You're a fucking idiot and an embarrassment.

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piecemeal barriers are only effective where they are- and yes they are effective where they are.

Right, they're so effective that the people who try to circumvent them are stopped and caught.

So you just proved there's no need to do anything different.

Do you realize you've undercut your own argument?

[dukkha]

Neither the Maginot Line or the Great Wall worked.

*duh*
what did I just say?
they were MILITARY fortifications. the armies could go around them
Do you think economic migrants have the same ability if we make the border a hard barrier?

[LV426]

Do you think economic migrants have the same ability if we make the border a hard barrier?

Do refugees have the ability to get on a boat? Yes.

[LV426]

Do you think economic migrants have the same ability if we make the border a hard barrier?

Since you've already said that we apprehend the people coming, there's no need for a wall to apprehend people who are coming here with the intent of being apprehended.

The caravan people are coming here with the intention of being caught by border authorities. Why? Because that's how they can declare asylum.

The fact is that you are lying about the need for the wall, and you're only lying because you don't want to have to eat shit for being conned into thinking we needed one.