3rd DRUG (& PEOPLE) TUNNEL found under AZ border wall in a month...

[USFREEDOM911]

Oh boy, am I glad you typed this bullshit because I can now use it to thoroughly discredit you entirely on these boards as someone who merely repeats propaganda because you're not someone who thinks for yourself.

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First of all, 9 million Obama voters didn't vote for Trump. That's bullshit easily disproved using the actual vote totals.

Clinton got just 60,000 fewer votes in 2016 than Obama got in 2012. So for 9 million Obama voters to have voted for Trump would have meant that Clinton had to replace 9,000,000 voters in the electorate at a rate of 1:1.

It would also mean that of the 59 million votes Romney got in 2012, 9 million of those people either didn't vote, or voted for Clinton. But that would mean that turnout had to increase by 9,000,000 votes to make up for that difference, but turnout only increased by about 3 million.

So you're missing 6,000,000 votes.

So along the way, someone lied to you about Obama voters choosing Trump, and you believed that lie because it was easier for you to do that instead of thinking critically about it because you lack the ability to think critically about anything, hence why you repeated an obvious lie.

And yet you've shown that you don't believe in the Constitution, except for the parts that benefit you; because you are still having a problem with EC result(s) and decision(s).

How un-American and treasonous of you.

[Flash]

Oh boy, am I glad you typed this bullshit because I can now use it to thoroughly discredit you entirely on these boards as someone who merely repeats propaganda because you're not someone who thinks for yourself.

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First of all, 9 million Obama voters didn't vote for Trump. That's bullshit easily disproved using the actual vote totals.

Clinton got just 60,000 fewer votes in 2016 than Obama got in 2012. So for 9 million Obama voters to have voted for Trump would have meant that Clinton had to replace 9,000,000 voters in the electorate at a rate of 1:1.

It would also mean that of the 59 million votes Romney got in 2012, 9 million of those people either didn't vote, or voted for Clinton. But that would mean that turnout had to increase by 9,000,000 votes to make up for that difference, but turnout only increased by about 3 million.

So you're missing 6,000,000 votes.

So along the way, someone lied to you about Obama voters choosing Trump, and you believed that lie because it was easier for you to do that instead of thinking critically about it because you lack the ability to think critically about anything, hence why you repeated an obvious lie.

That was not my thinking but studies done by many different analysts. Although their numbers vary by 1-2 million, none of the analysts refute these results. I posted numerous links when we had this discussion but you never bothered to learn the explanations.

You overlook the 6 million Romney voters who voted for Hillary, the increase in first-time voters from 9% to 15% (who did not vote in 2012), and the increase in 3rd party voters from 1.5% to 5%.

However, your biggest most obvious error is in turnout. Turnout in 2012 was 129,237,642. 2016 turnout was 137,125,484. The turnout difference was 7,887,842. The turnout was almost 8 million higher--not 3 million. The 7.8 million (5.73%) 3rd party votes explains your missing votes.

Explanations become much easier when you use the correct data. That means someone lied to you, not me.

https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/

[LV426]

That was not my thinking but studies done by many different analysts. Although their numbers vary by 1-2 million, none of the analysts refute these results. I posted numerous links when we had this discussion but you never bothered to learn the explanations.

Links you didn't actually read. Links you just regurgitated without reading because they confirm your bias.

You overlook the 6 million Romney voters who voted for Hillary, the increase in first-time voters from 9% to 15% (who did not vote in 2012), and the increase in 3rd party voters from 1.5% to 5%.

Right, but you said Trump got 9,000,000 Obama votes. None of the data you posted actually confirms that. You don't even confirm that here. Clinton got virtually the exact same number of votes Obama got in 2012. Trump got about 2-3 million more votes than Romney got in 2012. So you still haven't solved for how Clinton replaced all the 9,000,000 votes you claim she lost to Trump, nor have you proven that 6,000,000 Romney voters decided to vote for Clinton. That second part is the most bizarre because if a Republican was going to vote for Romney over Obama in 2012, why would that same Republican choose Clinton over Trump in 2016? It makes NO SENSE.

What happened was the same constituents voted for the same people, and Trump managed to get 2 million more white racists to vote for him than for Romney.

Obama voters didn't vote for Trump. That's a load of horseshit, and it doesn't account for the reason or explanation why 6,000,000 Romney voters would suddenly decide to vote for Clinton, after voting against Obama and opposing Obama's policies, which Clinton vowed to continue. That's the only scenario that makes any sense, and it's a scenario you'll have a tough time proving, though it is incumbent on you to prove it.

Your problem, and it's a deeper issue with you that goes beyond just this -like to the tax debate we had too- is that you don't think critically about anything, and you refuse to admit you're ever wrong. The reason is obvious; you know that admitting you're wrong will result in a questioning of the rest of what you say and believe, and you are frankly too much of a coward to confront that about yourself.

So now that we've established your argument is bullshit, we must ask the question as to why you're making this argument in the first place?

[Flash]

Right, but you said Trump got 9,000,000 Obama votes. None of the data you posted actually confirms that. You don't even confirm that here. Clinton got virtually the exact same number of votes Obama got in 2012. Trump got about 2-3 million more votes than Romney got in 2012. So you still haven't solved for how Clinton replaced all the 9,000,000 votes you claim she lost to Trump, nor have you proven that 6,000,000 Romney voters decided to vote for Clinton. That second part is the most bizarre because if a Republican was going to vote for Romney over Obama in 2012, why would that same Republican choose Clinton over Trump in 2016? It makes NO SENSE.

You failed to mention the 7.8 million missing votes when you claimed voter turnout was only 3 million higher than in 2012.

The data does not confirm that Trump got between 9-13% of Obama's voters because I already posted all those studies in a previous discussion. I am not going to post them again because you did not read them the first time. But, you claimed those studies could not be accurate because of the "missing" 9 million votes which are explained by the 7.8 million votes you failed to include that went to 3rd party voters in 2016.

Although the exact number of Obama voters who voted for Trump varies by 1-2 million in different studies, they all found about the same results. You tried to prove they were not true by giving incorrect figures for voter turnout--that proves who cannot think critically. When you don't like the facts you try to use phony numbers to disprove them.

Learn to use Google and you can find several studies that showed between about 9-13% of Obama voters supported Trump. That is just how people voted--it is not a partisan issue except for people like yourself who try to frame everything in terms of partisanship (although I don't know how even you see this as a partisan issue).

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/cry...rs-were-there/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama-Trump_voters

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/u...ng-voters.html

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...y-2018-midterm

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/pol...147475484.html

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/03/du...ump-democrats/

"Vote Switching in the 2016 Election: How Racial and Immigration Attitudes, Not Economics, Explain Shifts in White Voting"

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qphz9lxy6p...ublic.pdf?dl=0

[Bourbon]

As to that video that surfaced this week showing Trump telling a graduation class...

Trump to college graduates in 2004: 'If there's a concrete wall in front of you, go through it, go over it, go around'

ALEX LASKER, AOL.COM
Jan 10th 2019 1:28PM



He probably should have mentioned UNDER....

Third suspected drug tunnel discovered near Arizona border

BY CHRIS MILLS RODRIGO - 01/12/19 04:35 PM EST 251 - The HILL

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A tunnel that Mexican authorities suspect was used to transfer drugs and people across the border was discovered this week near Arizona, the third such tunnel found in the past month.

The Arizona Republic first reported Friday on the tunnel near Nogales, Sonora, across from Nogales, Ariz. Mexican Federal Police posted a video of the tunnel earlier this week. The police said in the video that the tunnel was about 32 feet long, but provided limited information beyond that.

It is the third tunnel to be found in a month amid the partial government shutdown and increased debate over President Trump's proposal to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

A representative from the Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to The Hill's request for comment on Saturday...



https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/425058-third-drug-tunnel-discovered-near-arizona-border

... and The Wall didn't stop it?

[USFREEDOM911]

... and The Wall didn't stop it?

Are you saying it bypassed the wall; because even the article states - "A tunnel that Mexican authorities suspect was used to transfer drugs and people across the border was discovered this week near Arizona"??

[Centerleftfl]

did any of those make it TO Arizona?.......

Yes. From Mexico to the US and right up into an empty building in AZ.

[Centerleftfl]

Are you saying it bypassed the wall; because even the article states - "A tunnel that Mexican authorities suspect was used to transfer drugs and people across the border was discovered this week near Arizona"??

M A N Y. locations. Including right UNDER the big gates and fence into SAN DIEGO with border GUARDS. You know why? So much activity was going on, they could drill, burrow and BUILD, and the noise was drowned out!

[USFREEDOM911]

M A N Y. locations. Including right UNDER the big gates and fence into SAN DIEGO with border GUARDS. You know why? So much activity was going on, they could drill, burrow and BUILD, and the noise was drowned out!

AHHHHHHHHH; but that's not what the OP was addressing, in this thread.

AND

The thread title, which you started, was a lie.

[Centerleftfl]

AHHHHHHHHH; but that's not what the OP was addressing, in this thread.

AND

The thread title, which you started, was a lie.

What part of MULTIPLE do you not understand? Here a tunnel, there a tunnel, EVERYWHERE a tunnel. This isn't hard

[USFREEDOM911]

What part of MULTIPLE do you not understand? Here a tunnel, there a tunnel, EVERYWHERE a tunnel. This isn't hard

AHHHHHHHHH; but that's not what the OP was addressing, in this thread.

AND

The thread title, which you started, was a lie.