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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    Not according to liberals who say corruption is so bad in Mexico that your choice is "the gold or the gun"
    That was my thought. If they're that good and still doing this, they're probably being threatened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    Thats complicated. Illegals often use fake IDs, so it makes no sense to punish businesses for being fooled. I'd say that of illegals were knowingly hired, then jail time and fines for the business and everyone involved.
    We've supposedly got a system for employers to verify employees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    In my lifetime the population of the US has doubled.. I hate the overcrowding.. I think that the capitalists believe that growth is everything.. How do you avoid socialism AND stop over population if capital always demands more, bigger, better?
    You will be pleased o know that the birth rate has fallen once again for the American population. Now all we have to worry about is who is going to care for, and pay for, the elderly.

    https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploa...in-America.pdf

    Increased young adult debt service costs due to student loans;

    • Decreasing young adult homeownership due to rapidly rising housing costs and student loans;

    • Increasing years spent actively enrolled in educational institutions, which tends to reduce birth rates dramatically while enrolled;

    • Higher cost of market-based childcare, alongside rising need for hired childcare due to diminished extended family support and more two-earner families; and

    • Changed social and cultural expectations of parents and parenting, making children and child bearing more burdensome than for previous generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    You will be pleased o know that the birth rate has fallen once again for the American population. Now all we have to worry about is who is going to care for, and pay for, the elderly.

    https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploa...in-America.pdf
    We could use the example of my parents who planned for their retirement and don't expect someone else to care for them. Or we could use your example and tax those that did to pay for those that refused to do so. I'll take the example set by honorable people not freeloaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    You will be pleased o know that the birth rate has fallen once again for the American population. Now all we have to worry about is who is going to care for, and pay for, the elderly.

    https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploa...in-America.pdf

    Increased young adult debt service costs due to student loans;

    • Decreasing young adult homeownership due to rapidly rising housing costs and student loans;

    • Increasing years spent actively enrolled in educational institutions, which tends to reduce birth rates dramatically while enrolled;

    • Higher cost of market-based childcare, alongside rising need for hired childcare due to diminished extended family support and more two-earner families; and

    • Changed social and cultural expectations of parents and parenting, making children and child bearing more burdensome than for previous generations.
    Daunting issues for sure........
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    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    Our priority should be to prevent illegal immigration so that we can ensure that immigrants who come on have valuable marketable skills, prevent over-saturation of the low-income jobs markets, we can make sure they are law-abiding citizens who share our values, prevent over-population, and make sure that our government programs aren't flooded with millions of low-income migrants.

    To aid this, we need expanded and improved border fencing, better technology on the border, and more border security. We can trade this for a dreamers acts. If we cut a deal like this to open the government, voters will be very happy.
    don't expect reasoning to reach any of these liberals

    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    We could use the example of my parents who planned for their retirement and don't expect someone else to care for them. Or we could use your example and tax those that did to pay for those that refused to do so. I'll take the example set by honorable people not freeloaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    It's a reference to drug cartels and bribery. Take the gold or get the gun
    I understand the reference since it is the same as was used for the Mafia of old, and now for gangs in the US. Just never heard of it as a reference to the corruption in Mexico.
    "2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjhenn View Post
    Unfortunately there was no "better choice" in 2016. Both parties nominated bad candidates.

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    You do know there was more then two parties, right? What if the people, especially the Evangelicals, had supported one that had morals, integrity, and honesty, on their side? What will happen in 2020 if the belligerent ass is once again a candidate?
    "2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    I understand the reference since it is the same as was used for the Mafia of old, and now for gangs in the US. Just never heard of it as a reference to the corruption in Mexico.
    Traffickers at the El Chapo trial say drugs aren’t smuggled through open parts of the border...

    1 day ago · Traffickers at the El Chapo trial say drugs aren’t smuggled through open parts of the border

    https://kplr11.com/2019/01/12/traffi...of-the-border/

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    Most drugs are smuggled into the United States onboard fishing boats, trains, tractor-trailers and ordinary cars that come into the country at legal ports of entry, according to former cartel members who’ve testified in the trial of notorious cartel leader Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman.

    Some cartel members have testified about using underground tunnels. But none have said they’ve transported drugs into the United States at unwalled sections of the border.

    The testimony comes at a time when President Donald Trump’s push for a border wall includes arguments that it would help stop the flow of drugs into the United States.

    Trump tweeted Friday that without a steel barrier or wall along the US-Mexico border, “our Country cannot be safe. Criminals, Gangs, Human Traffickers, Drugs & so much other big trouble can easily pour in. It can be stopped cold!”
    He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine

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    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    I think that the good of the country is more important than some land barons on the border, how pretty the fence is, or some park on the border. I think we need to start with our existing fences and replace them with one that is far less penetrable. We also need to reform our visa program to prevent illegal from coming through that.
    I want to see the Border Patrol step up their use of drones. When illegals are caught on camera crossing the border by a patrol drone, another drone would fly in and stay with the illegals until border patrol catches up with them. Use as many as it takes to do the job.

    You can't just stop people from coming in with a proper Visa, as over a million and a half people who live in Mexico cross the border every single day, who either work here or do business here, visit their relatives, seek medical or dental attentions, attend classes, shop, and return home as normal every night.

    But something does need to happen to curb the ones who purposely outstay their welcome- there ain't no doubt about that. I am open to ideas on that.

    When something can be abused so easily and often, something needs to happen to discourage that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Traffickers at the El Chapo trial say drugs aren’t smuggled through open parts of the border...

    1 day ago · Traffickers at the El Chapo trial say drugs aren’t smuggled through open parts of the border

    https://kplr11.com/2019/01/12/traffi...of-the-border/

    excerpt:

    Most drugs are smuggled into the United States onboard fishing boats, trains, tractor-trailers and ordinary cars that come into the country at legal ports of entry, according to former cartel members who’ve testified in the trial of notorious cartel leader Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman.

    Some cartel members have testified about using underground tunnels. But none have said they’ve transported drugs into the United States at unwalled sections of the border.

    The testimony comes at a time when President Donald Trump’s push for a border wall includes arguments that it would help stop the flow of drugs into the United States.

    Trump tweeted Friday that without a steel barrier or wall along the US-Mexico border, “our Country cannot be safe. Criminals, Gangs, Human Traffickers, Drugs & so much other big trouble can easily pour in. It can be stopped cold!”


    Well, the one thing that is certain is that Trump is lying in order to get his monument built at the expense of the American people, and their safety. You hear nothing from his about the fentanyl coming in from China by US mail.

    Makes one wonder just how stupid his supporters can be,
    "2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    Well, the one thing that is certain is that Trump is lying in order to get his monument built at the expense of the American people, and their safety. You hear nothing from his about the fentanyl coming in from China by US mail.

    Makes one wonder just how stupid his supporters can be,

    Exactly.. He wants his wall regardless of the people or the effectiveness of the wall..

    The DEA and Homeland Security have also called BS on his lies about drug trafficking.
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    You are right. You can’t stop everyone from crossing the border illegally just like you can’t stop killings by banning guns or break-in with a lock.
    Why do you lock your house door at night or when you leave for the day?
    Why do you lock your car?

    What is the alternative? To do nothing? If that is your feeling just eliminate the border. Is that your position.
    We have to try something. 30 years of talk is getting us nowhere.
    Presidents have talked about border security and immigration reform but little is done.

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    The crisis is in the White House.
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    Where do you live in Utopia, USA?

    You need to get out more. There is evil in our cities.
    In my Detroit neighborhood I don’t go out at night. The crime is out of control.

    There is fear. So let’s open the borders and allow a few more evil people to enter our cities, join gangs and live in poverty in our cities.

    The politicians don’t give a shit. They are all millionaires who live in the best neighborhoods, have alarms, fences, walls and armed guards to protect their ass.

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