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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Secure checkpoints along the American-Mexican border have become an increasingly popular entrance for drug smugglers entering the United States, a fact that could undermine President Donald Trump's argument for a border wall.

    Customs agents at the San Ysidro Port of Entry, the busiest land border crossing in the world, check 50,000 vehicles and 20,000 pedestrians on an average day — and they do it 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Located just south of San Diego and a few miles north of Tijuana, there are countless attempts to bring drugs across the border: some successful, some not.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-walls-n724341

    Is Trump going to shut down ALL traffic between the US and Mexico?
    With over 500 billion in business transactions a day at stake? Not a chance.
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    Hello Old Trapper,

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    Why take a minor example of crimes committed by illegals, and act as if it is the majority?
    Because if they were honest with themselves about this, it would mean the Republican was not the better choice in 2016, something they refuse to admit at the outset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    With over 500 billion in business transactions a day at stake? Not a chance.
    How else can he "save" America?

    Do you remember a 1958 CBS western series called Trackdown?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    “Real power is, I don’t even want to use the word: ‘Fear.’” This quotation of President Trump talking to Bob Woodward of The Washington Post in 2016 tells you all you need to know about the man.

    He defines power as making other people afraid.

    This attitude is a sign of cowardice, not power.

    “Fear: Trump in the White House”


    Initially, Mr. Trump told the reporters that “real power is through respect,” according to a transcript of the interview. Then he added: “Real power is, I don’t even want to use the word: ‘Fear.’”
    FEAR is Trump's ONLY currency. 3 years--I've yet to hear one uplifting sentence. One uniting phrase.

    This is AMERICA at her lowest.

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    So? Do laws against murder stop all murders? Don't be a retard. BTW, the wall design has a component to deter tunneling.
    Every life matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    No. Walls won't stop this.

    When El Chapo broke out of prison he had help. His gang tunneled into the prison he was being held in. The tunnel was a mile long, and the tunnelers had the accuracy to come up directly under the shower in his cell. It was very sophisticated.

    "Just 14 months after Guzman landed in Mexico's maximum-security Altiplano prison, he broke out in July 2015.
    After Guzman's getaway, authorities said they made a shocking find underground: a lighted and ventilated tunnel, replete with tracks and a modified motorcycle inside.
    The tunnel, Mexican National Security Commissioner Monte Alejandro Rubido said, began with a 50 x 50 centimeter (20 x 20 inch) opening inside a shower in Guzman's cell.

    That opening, officials said, connected to a vertical passageway going about 10 meters (33 feet) underground.

    The passageway, outfitted with a ladder, led to a tunnel that was about 1.7 meters (5.5 feet) tall and more than 70 centimeters (28 inches) wide.
    Inside the passageway, investigators found what Rubido described as an "adapted motorcycle on tracks that was likely used to remove dirt during the excavation and transport the tools for the dig."

    In one respect, the tunnel was notably different from others Guzman's Sinaloa cartel had built.
    "It was arrow straight," said Jim Dinkins, the former head of investigation for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. It was a sign, Dinkins said, that a cartel known for building sophisticated tunnels to send drugs across the U.S.-Mexico border had tapped its best and brightest for help.
    "Look -- the boss, El Chapo, is in prison. You're not going to bring in the B squad," Dinkins said. "You're going to bring in the A team, and you're going to bring in your best tunnelers, you're going to bring in your best engineer, and your best crew ... with one objective: You get the boss out."
    One Mexican official estimated the tunnel took about a year to build, and that whoever built it took out about 350 truckloads worth of sand and dirt.
    The passageway stretched for more than a mile and ended inside a half-built house. Crews started building the house in December 2014, then stopped a few months later, according to a farmer who lived nearby. The facade appeared to be finished around February or March, the farmer said, but workers kept moving dirt around the property for months -- until the day before Guzman's escape, when all of them were gone."

    CNN: Drug Cartel Tunneling Sophistication
    You know it always amazes me when I hear of things like this. That tunnel took a lot of work. That was good work. It is amazing the accuracy they had. After a MILE of tunneling, they managed to come up directly under a single shower stall. That was a really excellent bit of work there. Work like that could just as easily be done for legitimate purposes. It was an engineering feat. When people do such good work and work so hard for something illegal, when those workers could probably get paid just as well doing something legal, I struggle to understand why.

    Really, if you apply yourself and find the right application of your talents, it is easier to earn a living in this world doing legal contributions to society. There is simply no reason to break the law to have a good life. I struggle to understand why people will work so hard to earn money, hard enough to do it legally, but what they do is illegal, and they could go to prison for it. Why not just do something equally challenging, but legal, pay into the system, and have a rewarding life with a nice retirement? I don't get it.
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    Hello Centerleftfl,

    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    FEAR is Trump's ONLY currency. 3 years--I've yet to hear one uplifting sentence. One uniting phrase.

    This is AMERICA at her lowest.
    Make America Grate Again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    FEAR is Trump's ONLY currency. 3 years--I've yet to hear one uplifting sentence. One uniting phrase.

    This is AMERICA at her lowest.
    Have you ever heard of a CBS Western in 1958 called Trackdown?

    1958 TV show "Trackdown" told the story of a conman named Trump who warns town people that the world will be destroyed and that only he can save them by building a wall ... CBS Fox News . Wikipedia ...
    He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine

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    give it a rest. the wall or fence is happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    You know it always amazes me when I hear of things like this. That tunnel took a lot of work. That was good work. It is amazing the accuracy they had. After a MILE of tunneling, they managed to come up directly under a single shower stall. That was a really excellent bit of work there. Work like that could just as easily be done for legitimate purposes. It was an engineering feat. When people do such good work and work so hard for something illegal, when those workers could probably get paid just as well doing something legal, I struggle to understand why.

    Really, if you apply yourself and find the right application of your talents, it is easier to earn a living in this world doing legal contributions to society. There is simply no reason to break the law to have a good life. I struggle to understand why people will work so hard to earn money, hard enough to do it legally, but what they do is illegal, and they could go to prison for it. Why not just do something equally challenging, but legal, pay into the system, and have a rewarding life with a nice retirement? I don't get it.
    LOL You think whoever did the work doesn't also do legal work? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Have you ever heard of a CBS Western in 1958 called Trackdown?

    1958 TV show "Trackdown" told the story of a conman named Trump who warns town people that the world will be destroyed and that only he can save them by building a wall ... CBS Fox News . Wikipedia ...
    For fucks sake, that was known back in 2016 when Trump was running. Get some new items to bitch about

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    When the original barrier, in place now, was built, the priority was "Where is this Barrier most needed, and where does it not make sense".

    And as funds and appropriations ran dry, in attempting to put a barrier on the border, it was determined that some areas didn't make much sense: I.E. Areas where there were no close roads or areas of civilization for more than 25 - 50 miles of the border on either side of the border. Or, in other words, areas with no easy access to the border on either side, with just a non-habital desert wilderness and dangerous landscape.

    So, there are still areas, without any barrier at all, other than the treacherous landscape itself that surrounds our border where the rabbits won't even go themselves to cross.

    My question? Why did these people in the OP's story just try to cross where there was no barrier, instead of cutting through the existing fence or tunnel under it where it did exist?

    I'll tell you why! Because it just makes sense that no one wants to cross the border facing a 25 - 50 mile trek through a dangerous desert with no food, water, or safe havens to weather the extreme hot and cold temperatures, and where everything in that desert either sticks, stings, or bites you!

    So even though there are some very desperate souls still willing to try it on occasion, it is more of an exception to the rule, as they are becoming more rare. Because there have just been so many true stories of so many dead bodies discovered in the desert of those who have tried, most Mexicans know better than to even try it.

    I really have no problem in completing more areas of Barrier- for just humanitarian reasons alone if it will deter the few who would attempt to cross in these areas from almost certain death in trying.

    What you say? Is that worth 5 Billion to you- even for humanitarian reasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Have you ever heard of a CBS Western in 1958 called Trackdown?

    1958 TV show "Trackdown" told the story of a conman named Trump who warns town people that the world will be destroyed and that only he can save them by building a wall ... CBS Fox News . Wikipedia ...
    Too Funny!

    I never heard of that so I did a little search. It's not the theme of the whole series. It's one episode. But wow. Is it ever amazingly similar:

    "The End of the World

    In "The End of the World", a rabble-rousing doomsayer named Walter Trump (played by Lawrence Dobkin) comes to town. He scares the townsfolk with talk of an impending disaster and claims to be the only person who can save them – by building a wall. He also threatens to sue Hoby when accused of dishonesty. By the end of the episode, he is arrested as a conman and fraud. The coincidental similarity to Donald Trump's name and proposed border wall was noted after his 2016 election.[5] Vanity Fair wrote that "of all the books and movies that presaged the rise of our reality-TV president... none are so eerily on the nose as this once-obscure, 1958 episode of Trackdown in which a demagogue named Trump attempts to convince a town that only he can save its citizens from the threats outside their borders... by building a wall."[6] The Wrap asked, "Want to talk about a weird coincidence?.... Some may call this episode titled 'The End of the World' the ultimate illustration of life imitating art, considering the episode aired May 8, 1958... it is pretty amusing, especially when the TV character threatens, 'Be careful, son. I can sue you.'"[7] The San Francisco Chronicle stated that "the character's speech is so similar to the president-elect's, it almost seems as if Donald Trump borrowed some catchphrases from Walter Trump."[8] "

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    LOL You think whoever did the work doesn't also do legal work? LOL
    I think you have missed the point.

    If they also do legal work they have jeopardized their lives by doing a prison break.

    If their engineering is that good to be able to come up in a shower stall at a mile away, they are simply mis-applying their talents and should be able to have a perfectly good life with legitimate work. Any reputable workers would turn down illegal work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    When the original barrier, in place now, was built, the priority was "Where is this Barrier most needed, and where does it not make sense".

    And as funds and appropriations ran dry, in attempting to put a barrier on the border, it was determined that some areas didn't make much sense: I.E. Areas where there were no close roads or areas of civilization for more than 25 - 50 miles of the border on either side of the border. Or, in other words, areas with no easy access to the border on either side, with just a non-habital desert wilderness and dangerous landscape.

    So, there are still areas, without any barrier at all, other than the treacherous landscape itself that surrounds our border where the rabbits won't even go themselves to cross.

    My question? Why did these people in the OP's story just try to cross where there was no barrier, instead of cutting through the existing fence or tunnel under it where it did exist?

    I'll tell you why! Because it just makes sense that no one wants to cross the border facing a 25 - 50 mile trek through a dangerous desert with no food, water, or safe havens to weather the extreme hot and cold temperatures, and where everything in that desert either sticks, stings, or bites you!

    So even though there are some very desperate souls still willing to try it on occasion, it is more of an exception to the rule, as they are becoming more rare. Because there have just been so many true stories of so many dead bodies discovered in the desert of those who have tried, most Mexicans know better than to even try it.

    I really have no problem in completing more areas of Barrier- for just humanitarian reasons alone if it will deter the few who would attempt to cross in these areas from almost certain death in trying.

    What you say? Is that worth 5 Billion to you- even for humanitarian reasons?
    Diminishing returns. As stated, we already have walls.

    The ROI for investing in further wall extensions makes it not worth it.

    Especially when it is deficit spending.
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