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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    We keep hearing the left screaming we don't need a wall. Ok I accept that. Now please come up with a workable plan that would virtually stop illegal immigration without some type of barrier.


    No politics just an honest question. Please convince me.
    Nothing will convince you that Trump should get his wall.

    In any case NOTHING STOP illegal immigration...

    ...and a wall will not appreciably slow it...IF IT SLOWS IT AT ALL.

    What you ought to do is stop pretending "the wall" is about border security. IT ISN'T. "The wall" is about an unkeepable promise the moron, Donald Trump made repeatedly during his campaign to the morons who were willing to listen.

    The border to the south will NEVER be secure...just as the border to the north will NEVER be secure. The border to the south appeals to the morons who support Donald Trump mostly because the people on the other side are mostly of a darker color than most European whites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    A better system to track people who are overstaying their VISAs

    Heavy finds or prosecution for hiring illegal allies.

    Improvements in the work VISA program.

    Improved processing of asylum seekers

    These are just a few things that would work better than a wall along the border.
    And how do you propose we do this "tracking"??

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    We can spend the money by putting more agents along the border.
    Hey great idea we can have a guard tower every 100 yrds.
    What an over simplistic idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Nothing will convince you that Trump should get his wall.

    In any case NOTHING STOP illegal immigration...

    ...and a wall will not appreciably slow it...IF IT SLOWS IT AT ALL.

    What you ought to do is stop pretending "the wall" is about border security. IT ISN'T. "The wall" is about an unkeepable promise the moron, Donald Trump made repeatedly during his campaign to the morons who were willing to listen.

    The border to the south will NEVER be secure...just as the border to the north will NEVER be secure. The border to the south appeals to the morons who support Donald Trump mostly because the people on the other side are mostly of a darker color than most European whites.
    Damn Frank I expected you of all here to have some reasonable ideas on enhancing border security without additional walls. But all you did is parrot the anti wall anti Trump rhetoric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    Damn Frank I expected you of all here to have some reasonable ideas on enhancing border security without additional walls. But all you did is parrot the anti wall anti Trump rhetoric.
    Most illegals and drugs come in thru the 48 ports of entry along the Mexican border or they fly in.

    About 53,000 TSA employees, 54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and officers, and 42,000 Coast Guard members and staff must work without pay, according to research from the Senate ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    Hey great idea we can have a guard tower every 100 yrds.
    What an over simplistic idea.
    But they need to be armed and allowed to "repel" any invaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    We keep hearing the left screaming we don't need a wall. Ok I accept that. Now please come up with a workable plan that would virtually stop illegal immigration without some type of barrier.


    No politics just an honest question. Please convince me.
    You're the one using politics as well as ignorance. No one is speaking of no barriers.

    And your title to this thread is also a lie. It insinuates that one can control the border with some kind of barrier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    Damn Frank I expected you of all here to have some reasonable ideas on enhancing border security without additional walls. But all you did is parrot the anti wall anti Trump rhetoric.
    You asked a question...and I responded to it as truthfully as I could, Grump.

    There is a serious problem with the essential predicate of your questions...namely that SOMETHING could "virtually stop illegal immigration."

    NOTHING CAN DO THAT...NOTHING. (With the exception of eliminating the notion of "illegal immigration" and making all immigration legal.)

    So if you insist...I will offer that: One way to "virtually stop illegal immigration without some type of barrier"...IS TO ELIMINATE THE CONCEPT OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Make the rule be that anyone who makes it to the shores of our nation...no matter how...will be deemed to have LEGALLY immigrated to this country.

    That certainly is the way the founding fathers did it...and most of the people who formed the early Republic.

    In any case, the wall (no matter how high or how long or of what composition) will not make enough of a dent in "illegal immigration" to justify a few million dollar of expenditure...let alone tens of billions of dollars.


    So...I have come up with something that requires no wall.

    Do you want to adjust your question to eliminate what I devised?

    I'll tackle the adjusted question if you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    Hey great idea we can have a guard tower every 100 yrds.
    What an over simplistic idea.
    You didn't really want ideas, did you. You just wanted pats on the back from your con buddies.

    Where did I say anything about guard towers? You could have more agents actually walking the borders 24-7, similar to cops patrolling a beat or security walking the floors of buildings. Also there could be more cameras and alarm systems detecting sound or movement. Think home security on a much larger basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    Which has nothing to do with your previous comment or my reply; but it would probably take longer for them to earn the amount that is being spent on the illegals, that are in the US.
    Cite some numbers showing how much is being spent on illegals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    if trumpsters were serious about security that they would address the myriad other ways the illegals get into the country besides where a wall might stop them. this is just a game to them when all they talk about is a wall and they don't talk about security as a whole entire picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    We keep hearing the left screaming we don't need a wall. Ok I accept that. Now please come up with a workable plan that would virtually stop illegal immigration without some type of barrier.


    No politics just an honest question. Please convince me.
    And this is an honest answer! A fact REPUBLICANS WILL NOT TALK ABOUT OUT IN THE OPEN. Period. Do your own research!

    (PLUS hundreds of thousands, maybe millions here WILL GO HOME!)


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    You didn't really want ideas, did you. You just wanted pats on the back from your con buddies.

    Where did I say anything about guard towers? You could have more agents actually walking the borders 24-7, similar to cops patrolling a beat or security walking the floors of buildings. Also there could be more cameras and alarm systems detecting sound or movement. Think home security on a much larger basis.

    You're welcome.
    Then why is this necessary:


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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    They won't even admit it's a problem let alone offer a solution.
    The real problem is Trump's government shutdown. As for illegal immigration, most consists of people entering the country legally, but overstaying their visa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Cite some numbers showing how much is being spent on illegals.
    OK, right after you admit that you don't have a clue as to what's being spent on them.

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